Styles on the move?

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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Hourihane showed stacks of ability when he first joined with almost zero positional awareness. Hecky and Johnson put some serious time in to him on the training pitch getting him to understand how to utilise his lack of pace to become a complete central midfielder. We then started to benefit from that as he got more experienced.

    But he wasn’t poor by any stretch. That’s a touch over the top.

    As for Styles, I think we’re guilty of dumbing down his ability along with the state the club was in last year. Yes he wasn’t great, but he spent close to 20 games playing as a right wing back or a right forward, in a team that was shot to bits in terms of quality and confidence, working under two head coaches who I’m not sure ever really wanted to be here given the circumstances.

    I could see him moving to a Preston or Burnley, maybe even Wigan, and showing us more of the form he had under Val than what we got the last 12 months. He’s still a kid in football terms at 22, and a year of that has been lost in our setup. However, he definitely didn’t help himself at times. The comment about his quality shining when playing for Hungary is a telling one (@SFOTyke)
     
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    Again, I totally disagree.
     
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    If Callum doesn’t go Neerav and the other directors will need to put in a lot more cash to keep the club afloat next season.

    The sale of Styles and other saleable assets needs to happen this summer both to bring in cash and substantially reduce the salary bill.

    I think he has shown he has bags of skill and the ability to apply himself. Last year I think it would have been hard for any player to look outstanding when, for large parts of the season, it was hard to see what the tactics were.

    I hope other teams are willing to speculate on him and the likes of Helik, Woodrow and others as without proceeds from these sales the owners are looking at doubling down on their initial investment.
     
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    I did say he was a poor player but my mind was cast back to after his arrival (bad on my part for not thinking afore posting) . But he certainly didn't live up to that first month. As I say Styles didn't become a bad player overnight. And the club are to blame for his loss off form. And my memory says after an initial good start. Conor went backwards.To say he didn't improve massively after Hammill came back is. imo wrong. He gave over falling down at every opportunity. In effect cheating. And my mind is clear on that.
    I'm quoting a parallel btw. Against those who worship Conor and slate Styles.
    The king himself was slated in some quarters when he first arrived. Not by myself I may add. Opinions eh.
     
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  5. Loko the Tyke

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    What do you think the balance sheet will look like entering this coming season? We obviously got close to £2.5m for Val and co, still maintained the TV revenues, etc. and had crowds back. Be started with a deficit and only got money for Chaplin player wise and had to pay off two Head Coaches - although you can sometimes avoid doing that in one lump sum.

    If you could forecast that then there’s potential scenarios around players leaving that could be predicted, loosely.
     
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    Totally agree and he was having to play in a midfield with some professional hiders.
     
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    I'm praising both Hourihane & Styles and don't understand the need to denigrate either. When it comes to memory, I'm quite comfortable with mine.
     
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    And so am I.
    I'm making a point to those slagging Styles off. Who the hell is denigrating him or Conor. Not me . I am one of Houriannes biggest fans. Doesn't mean to say I'm wrong about a period of his career. Where I thought he was poor. You can chose to say otherwise.
     
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    Thank you. That's fair. There's nothing wrong with us having a different opinion.
    In all fairness, there were some who claimed Conor couldn't, and would never be able to, play in the middle of a 4-4-2. Nor could he ever play in the same team as Sam Winnall.
     
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    He stepped up a league and scored ten in his first twenty games with us and had a few assists too from memory. Wish we had a few in our current squad that poor.
     
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    That is fine we all see things differently. We like different kinds of players. I think our differing opinions on Hourihane's start for us are for similar reasons to our differing opinions on paddy McCourt and a few other players too.
     
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    Yup. Again, that's fair.
    But I still love you. :D
     
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    My take on the balance sheet is that it is pretty close to zero. Rather than just throw a statement out there without substantiating i’ll set out an approximation of how i get there.

    Last year (May 2021) The balance sheet had eroded to £1.4m.

    Taking the main variables from last year and rolling it on another year.

    Turnover was £12.5m the prior year but supplemented by a further £2.8m of CJRS and insurance claims. We also had significant season ticket sales despite fans not attending. If we assume revenue of £14m for last year i don’t think it will be far off the mark.

    Again based on the prior year salaries were £14.4m so assuming broadly similar but maybe a slight reduction salaries are £14m.

    Player amortisation of £2.5m is in line with prior year so all things being equal this would point to an operating loss of around £5m. Assuming that the £2.5m for Val offset half of that would suggest a net loss of £2m to £3m. I’ve assumed that the Chaplin money covered the signings but that is just a guess.

    Deduct the annual losses from the starting balance and you can see a position at the end of May when the club had broadly a million negative balance sheet position. That would shed further light on the need for the Directors to chuck in the cash as they are proposing to.
     
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    Fair enough and apologies Dreamboy. I probably got stuck in the fact he was poor prior to Hamills return. We were on an abysmal run and no one could take any credit for their performances. (Tis why we were bottom of the league at xmas) . We became a different team after Hamill played his first game against York in mid November. Which we subsequently won. Everyone including Connor raised their game to another level. And so will Styles once he's back playing in a good team. And not messed about.
     
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    I genuinely believe Hamill brought about the best of him. Not only on the field but off also. Gone were the play antics. And I reckon Adam must have given him stick over it. Because that's when he changed and it was noticable from day one. No one else in my mind could have done that. Or else it would have happened before. They built up one of the best partnerships I've seen at the club. They were infectious to one another.
     
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    Exactly , 98% of football is played off the ball & the higher the level the better the movement , when he played against Ireland he always had someone to play the ball to & he was always willing to receive the ball , this comes down to work rate , movement & quality ,all sadly lacking in our team last season but hey ho some will be happy to see him moved on & replaced with mediocrity .
     
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    He's gone from Brook Bond to Basildon Bond.
     
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    Forgive my ignorance and simplicity on this, I asked you genuinely as you’d be able to break it down as good as anyone, but if the £1m injection brings us back to zero aren’t we looking at a situation like the below? If we were at work I’d be presenting this to you in waterfall chart format by the way! I’m also aware it won’t be fully accurate, but hopefully it makes my thinking clear.

    Season ticket income of c. £2m
    TV revenue of £2m
    Commercial £1.5m

    So we enter the season with £5.5m on the ‘balance sheet’. We sell three players, in Helik, Woodrow and Styles, for £3.5m, and we’re up to £9m.

    The wage bill needs to come down, obviously, which could be made up by the below:

    20% reduction clauses (£2.8m)
    Players put out on loan - Oulare esque (£500k)
    Woodrow, Styles, Helik out (£1.2m)

    That gives a wage bill now of £9.5m for the year. There’s likely an additional £1m from match day revenue at League One level but then match day operating costs probably offset some of that.

    Doesn’t that bring us about flat for the year? Not accounting for the EFL loan, obviously, but also only assuming three players leave.

    Given that the wage bill is paid throughout the year and not in one lump sum, yes we’re in a hole, but can you see why it might not be seen as the threat of administration view that others hold?

    We should also, in theory or hopefully, see our Director’s salaries come down as well as our CEO costs. Be interesting if they do, but that won’t be until the accounts after the next set.
     
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    Do we have any directors taking salaries bar the obvious. Khaled ?. I think James took payment at one time for the data work he did/does . Is that still the case. ?
    Neerav stated that if he ever had to take over the CEO role for a reason. He would not take a salary. Unlike Conway did. ?
     
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    Hope he scores against England in the last 5 minutes and becomes hot property.
     

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