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I agree there’s is a lot of faux umbrage about on the BBS

 

The political rhetoric on both sides needs toning down, has done for years. It’s getting out of hand.

You’re either far left or far right these days. Too many people have access and strong opinions on politics and don’t really understand what they’re talking about.

Maybe start on this forum by toning it down, bridge the division and let’s just get on or at least try to.

 

I think this lets him off the hook. Being religious doesn't excuse someone being hateful. Religion didn't force him to be racist or hold other abhorrent views. It wasn't his belief in god that forced him to say that the Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake" or say that innocent deaths were a price worth paying for gun ownership in the wake of a school shooting.

He said those things to get wealthy by stoking division and inflaming the culture wars. He was happy for other people's kids to be sacrificed on the altar of the second amendment and spew racist talking points because he thought the wealth he accrued from doing so would insulate him from the consequences. He was a big part in the constant lowering of the bar in political discourse and an architect of the environment which incited his own death and others.

Did he deserve to die? Absolutely not. Do I have deep sympathy for his wife and kids? Absolutely.

But it's a struggle to sympathise too much for the man himself, the same way it'd be a struggle to sympathise with a bloke who doused his home in petrol and sat there thinking he was fireproof.

 

Bloody hate international breaks on here

 

As sad as this situation is, and it is just as sad as anyone else who has been murdered in cold blood, World leaders queuing up to pay tribute to a YouTube influencer and university debater whose primary motivation was sowing seeds of political division just doesn't sit right.

Brian Wilson, Gene Hackman and Ozzy Osborne did not receive messages from World leaders when they died this year. In fact the only other who received that level of sympathy and support from world leaders was the Pope!

 

I'm sure there are some on here calling out posts re Kirk who also celebrated Thatcher's death. Granted she wasn't murdered, but she died just like Kirk and she had family etc. Like Kirk, her right wing (now relatively mild) politics were deeply decisive and controversial and plenty of mirth at her death was had along with anger at her. And rightly so.

 

He has got history he was more or less celebrating when a religious leader died a few months ago. Then last night maybe he didn't know he was going to die but the bloke was shot in the neck at a speech where his wife and kids were at it didn't sound good. When he does this sort of thing all that seems to happen is the thread gets locked move on nothing to see here. Sometimes if you have nothing nice to say....

 

Totally agree and would go a step further in a few threads recently IMO posters have moved the thread subject to personal attacks/opinions on the poster.
Some of the recent threads have not been great reading recently and I have felt at times should have been shut down as a result, which is a shame as I learn loads about a wide range of topics coming on here.

Would be nice if we could keep it to the subject in matter and keep personal opinions about others off the board.

 

I wasn't born under thatcher but Im guessing because she impacted so many lives negatively. Probably responsible for deaths herself...

Secondly I wouldn't compare her with kirk, she was leading this country and affecting peoples lives.

Kirk wasn't leading his country or affecting people's lives. People chose to listen to him or even approach him for his opinion and moaned when they didnt like it.

 

I think that underestimates how his engagement with people on social media, especially sections of young people in the US (who often don't vote) helped Trump win and created a sphere for his 'youth wing' to get on board with far right fascist ideas.

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I’ll tell you what annoys me a lot of late.

I am sick to death of American’s & British Trump fans constantly talking down this country & trying to lecture us about how much better America is.

America is nuts. Why anyone glorifies that place is beyond me.

Remember the biggest ******** you went to school with? He can have a gun. That horrible family full of petty criminals off the roughest estate in the village? They can all have guns. That guy who constantly posts racist stuff online? He can have a gun. That guy who wishes the Trump shooter hadn’t missed? He can have a gun. Every crackpot can have a gun.

Everyday there’s shootings over there, most major cities have deaths via guns every week. They were bragging about Chicago having its lowest number of killings via shooting this summer. ‘Only’ 123 across June, July & August. That country is a shithole.

You have a kid & they’re unlucky enough to have diabetes or another serious health issue? That’s you financially ruined for life.

There’s a lot wrong with this country, I won’t dispute that but it’s an amazing place to live compared to America.

If there’s one positive that comes from Charlie Kirk’s awful murder I hope it’s that people change their attitudes towards guns over there.

However school kids getting murdered hasn’t upset them enough to alter their views so I doubt this will.

 

I think this is more likely to make them change their views than dead kids. A prominent figure getting shot will resonate with those in power whereas poorer people's kids doesn't bother them in the slightest.

 

I hope you’re right

 

Melissa and Mark Hortmans assassination in June might suggest nothing resonates with those in power in the US at the moment

 

Man who said the thousands who die in the USA every year by gunshots is a price worth paying to keep the second amendments right to bear arms in place dies by gunshot sometimes karma's a right bitch isn't she.