Surely the racism card has to be aimed at remain?

Whilst we cannot argue that in the short medium term we (as will the EU) take a big financial hit (as yet the amount is not possible to determine), you do realize that, putting aside all the exaggerated claims and counter claims we were, in fact, net contributors to the EU coffers and got back less than we put in.

So, the "billions of pounds of funding" were not coming into the country we were just getting back some of what we paid in to the EU.

 

Note that the FTSE and Sterling have bounced today and the current level - bad though it ma be- is nowhere near as bad as either the initial market reaction or the predicted doom mongers 'Armagedon' scenario. I simply say this to point out that both sides lied and exaggerated the financial impact and continue do so.

 

True for the UK as a whole. But not here in Wales or Cornwall, or indeed South Yorkshire.

And even if you look at the UK as a whole, once the economy has crumbled (watch this space) we simply will not have the money we paid into the EU to regain the benefits in the first place.

It has taken 30+ years to construct the laws and build the European institutions, it will take as long to replace them. Things never work well at first but need to be tweeked and adjusted. By the time we have just rewriiten all the missing laws in English versions etc, the world will have left us behind.

 

A lot of people seem to forget that not only have we not left yet but we've not even triggered the Article to begin leaving yet. It isn't possible to say that this 'Armagedon' that was predicted to happen after we leave, won't happen based on rates over two years before we have left. I'm not saying or giving an opinon on whether I think it will or it won't (so please don't bombard me with questions like usual), I'm just pointing out that it's a bit early to say either way yet.

 

Simply because we need to control numbers therefore the same rules should apply to everyone rather than discriminate against people outside of the EU. It's not being insular at all, it's all about balancing what numbers the UK can cope with without having a negative impact on things like school places, housing shortages. If we have those in abundance then we increase, vice versa when things can't cope. It is obvious that 300,00 net cannot be allowed to come here every year. Out of all the claims made by leave, this one cannot be disputed we cannot cope as a country with those levels and expect there to be no negative impact..

 

I'm in general agreement with Y Goch on this one. and we have rarely seen eye to eye over much of this debate , but one truly cannot point the finger of racism at Remain ..it is ridiculous . Undoubtedly there are a fringe of true racists who would now believe this is a victory for them and their twisted agenda . It seems now up to the Government to prove unequivocally to all that Racism is not on the political agenda...and never will be whether in or out .
What I would say though is this debate echoes to some extent the dilemma of 1975....Tony Benn was clear in his opposition to the EU....as was the racist National Front...Benn scorned the sharing of any platform with racists to clearly distance his arguments from theirs...had Benn won the battle in 1975 the fight against Racism would not have stopped simply because both sides had wanted out....there are no common values or camaraderie and the next government have to make that crystal clear .
I have though to say , the Remain side seem to have largely agreed that there are issues that need to be addressed in the open borders plan...it's a shame that the people at the top of the EU were incapable of seeing that there may be a problem...it seems to be that this was Angela Merkel's pigeon....which is very surprising as she is usually pretty pragmatic. If that is true she must shoulder at least some of the blame .