Taking Back Control

nope
I posted they had failed to negotiate a deal with the EU in 3 years.

 

I don't really get your point. It was a fair ballot, I have no issue with it at all. I have a number of issues with the lies that were told by the leave campaign but that's a different issue.

When the ballot took place I don't think many people had a good understanding of how we would exit Europe and what exiting would entail. I include myself in that number. The reason we didn't know was we weren't informed. And the reason we weren't informed is no one had a clue. Not a clue. No exit strategy, no plan once exit was achieved, nothing.
We have a much better understanding now. We understand that those in charge don't know what they're doing.
I think such an important decision should be made with as much understanding of what will happen as possible. We've gone from none to some. I think another vote should now take place now that we're privvy to what exiting Europe actually entails.

 

Is there only me whose fed up to the back teeth of hearing about Brexit? I didnt vote to leave nor did I vote to stay. I’m not particularly rich and I’m not particularly poor. All the last 3 years has enforced to me is that you can’t trust a politician (which I already knew hence not bothering to vote in the first place.) Just flip a coin and let’s all get on with our f*****g lives for better or for worse.

 

Its your fault !
If you’d voted there’d be non of this

 

I don't know how anyone, approaching the topic fresh, could read this thread and conclude for a second that Brexit isn't going to be a disaster for this country. My favourite is that we export loads of genetic drugs to the EU, so why should Mrs X care less about the specialist drugs produced in Belgium on which her life depends....

And those arguing for redistribution of wealth whilst complaining that the poorest countries in Europe aren't net contributions to the EU.

Or that British sovereignty should be paramount, yet all our MPs are useless and are out for themselves.

And literally no-one can identify a single EU ruling that we are particularly unhappy with.

 

Handy for folks working overseas.

Only snag makes you a bit costly if moved back to the home country.

 

Sounds like better to be out then as we dont agree with anything!

 

The curve of cucumbers?

 

That’s probably because EU said they won’t negotiate until the exit is agreed, then you have the transition period to negotiate the trade deals(no deal will come into place until end of transition period anyway).

 

So months after we joined the EEC the 3 day weeks started 'in a vacuum'? not as a result of years of worsening worker relations?
Whilst finding a point you've struggled to address my post which was that the UK was in an absolute dire state prior to joining the EEC, you suggested we were doing fine.

Now if you had proof that we had a booming economy in 1972-73 you'd have a point, but we didn't did we, it was crap and you hoped that no one would pick you up on your completely false assertion.

And even if we were 'doing fine' before joining the EEC - if we crash out f the EU we don't end up in the same circumstances, the world has moved on, we're not turning back the clock.

That'd be like a deluded 60 year old about to leave his missus, cos he can remember that 30 years ago he had no problem finding 25 year olds who fancied him.

The bottom line is that we'll be 'fine' eventually - but most of us will be dead by then - and our kids will have spent most of their adult lives struggling in a failed economy! And that's not my assessment, it's the rosy outlook provided by the politicians promoting this **** shower.

 

No it won't - did you mean at the end of the transition period? At which point No deal will come into effect only if we fail to negotiate a deal.

Do you make this carp up yourself or is it straight from the pages of Britten Furst?

 

about the best analogy ive seen yet! bravo!

those good old days etc etc

 

Just to put in my two penneth, The EU directs funding to poorer nations, historically Spain, Portugal and Poland,, and probably others, in order to level the playing field re: living standards, infrastructure etc. This reduces what I think was known as cabotage. Might be wrong with the name but it means people from poorer countries travelling to richer countries and undercutting the incumbent workforce. Once the standards are raised, most of the foreign workforce would return to their home, get better wages, pay tax and have money to buy British imports. The funding reduces and the EU internal market becomes more stable. In leaving the EU now, we’re basically pulling out before the end of the process, meaning we’ve put loads of money in, but with not be there to see the benefits.

Just checked, cabotage refers specifically to transport, but the theory is the same.

 

So just more 'we won - get over it'.
I'm not talking about fluctuation, I'm talking about crashing the economy on purpose. Lets not be stupid and keep pretending the notion of 'cause and effect' is a new fangled scare tactic, it's real and it's predictable.

We absolutely can predict what will happen to the economy if we leave with no deal. There's international rules on trade, we have all the numbers we need to work it out. So when your own side admits it's going to be catastrophic but that they're rich enough to pay more for the longer term gains, you should at least think 'well what does that mean for me and my family?' can they all afford to pay more for everything for several decades until the economy rights itself?

Personally I work in an industry that means a crap economy will mean I can look forward to growth and almost certain promotion before retirement - I'm literally alright Jack. But I can't say the same for all my friends and family - this could wreck their lives. This is a bigger shake up than Thatcher taking us from a manufacturing economy to a service based one - and some of our friends and neighbours are still feeling the effect of that 40 years later.
(BTW it helps to quote questions you're responding to - I missed this last night)

 

What have I made up?
You’ve just agreed with me!!!
Any deal agreed comes into effect after the transition period, this includes a no deal.
Edit: as pointed out if there is no deal there is no transition period, however there would be with any other deal

 

In the event of no deal there is no transition period, the transition period is part of the deal.

 

I've seen this quoted before, and not been able to ascertain if that if the UK government (Tory/Labour at the time), or the majority UK party in the EU parliament (UKIP, etc) or the UK MEPs in general.

So for the last few years, we could have been in the position where the largest party of UK MEPs voted against the UK government on EU laws...

 

Exactly. No Deal is exactly that. No transition period, No trading on the same terms, instant 3rd country status.

 

There is no transition period if there is no deal. Why would you need a transition period when you've said there's nothing to discuss?