Taking the knee

"We don't kneel for anyone beyond the Wall" Mance Rayder: Game of Thrones: Season 3
: Episode 1

 

That doesn't answer the question at all. What evidence do you have that football clubs don't want to try a black manager?

We do know that some black players have done their badges. Do you know how many have? How many compared to white players?

 

Not off the top of my head no. Do you?

 

No which is exactly my point. Not only do we not have all the facts, we have hardly any. We can't just make an assumption that racist football club owners won't employ black managers (but spend millions employing black players) without looking at facts. Jumping to conclusions is wrong.

 

There's a problem though. We do know black players have done their coaching badges. So over to the owners and the directors of football as to why they've not thought about recruiting them.

 

I agree that there probably was in the past, in fact almost definitely was. But I honestly think that's in the distant past. Not in general society but I think within football it's one of the rare situations where we all see the evidence of extremely intelligent articulate black people. By that I mean they are interviewed regularly and work on TV s we all see it. I don't think the owners are blind to it either they can't be.

When I see people like Henry on sky sports and then I see carragher I know who comes across as most intelligent and which one of prefer to have in a managerial position for example.

Not sure I understand why you think there would be hundreds of openly gay footballers. Do you mean playing currently right now in England?

 

How many of them? Which of them? You just said you don't know how many but now you're saying you know they have.

I can list you dozens of white former players who have done their badges and yet aren't managing a first team. How many black players can you yourself name?

 

Historically more than half start and don’t complete the full set, which straight away puts the BAME category at a disadvantage because the % diminishes significantly.
Add to that purely on a numbers basis it gets harder for them, ie if out of 100 equally matched applicants 99 are White then statistically the BAME only has a 1% chance of being successful.

It seems to me the only way forward is for Football Authorities to identify why so few apply and why so many of the few that do apply drop out. Sort that out as a starter and it will start to improve.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...english-football-black-managers-campbell-cole

A quick Google search, have a read

 

It needs an inquiry football but sport in general .
Usually these sort of inquiries tells us what most of us suspected anyway that most institutions are usually prejudice/racist .
It didn’t need an inquiry imo to tell us for example the Met police were institutionaly bankrupt of Morals of any kind .

 

Steven Gerrard. Started out as youth coach at Liverpool.
Ashley Cole only retired from playing football 10 months ago!
Frank Lampard: spent last few years of his career learning the coaching side.
Sol Campbell: walked out on Macclesfield after three days. Is surprised nobody wants to have him in an important role

 

There is no doubt Gerrard and Lampard got their chances because of their Player profile, however both them started their coaching badges a few years back (think Lampard completed his whilst at Derby).
Ashley Cole only started his last Summer at Chelsea, so too early to judge on him yet.
Sol Campbell has never done himself any favours, he has always come across as having a chip on his shoulder, I appreciate he might have a genuine reason why but it can put people off.

 

Yes. Maybe hundreds is an exaggeration but there must, statistically, be scores of them. Certainly hundreds of them historically. Not one of them ever came out.
The whole sport from terraces up is hidebound in machismo and prejudice. I'd like to say it's not as bad as it was but I'm really not sure it is. Just visit the Millwall forum.

 

I agree with Dominic Raab and wouldn't do it.

 

Double post.

 

I agree with Dominic Raab and wouldn't do it.

 

Good for you.

 

And your point is?

 

I'd certainly be happy to take the knee.
Probably means I'm a weedy, effeminate, spineless, cowardly snowflake.