Talk about discrimination

Might even get my dad to come back.

 

I can see three issues with it. 1. How many of the armed forces are in positions where they are shot at compared to in safety where they are not? It could be argued that only those who really do put their lives at risk should get a discount for their bravery.
2. A lot of people are completely against these wars so why are we rewarding people for doing something we consider barbaric (invading a country and killing their people).
3. Don't the soldiers and co choose to do this knowing full well what it entails and what pay they get?

That being said I couldn't give a toss to be honest. If a private business wants to give a discount or freebies to a certain section of people then that is entirely up to them as it is a business decision. And not one that bothers me in the slightest.

My only issue with nurses, teachers, firemen, soldiers etc is when they complain that they are underpaid after willfully choosing a job in that sector knowing the salary. Giving them discounts at a football match? Nah sorry thats nowt to complain about.

 

It seems like since I've been at work this thread has gone off in a completely new direction. The original post was never meant to offend anyone it was just a simple if it's about bums on seats then why not £15 for everybody. Just because I earn minimum wage I have to pay an extra £8 I just don't agree with that at all

 

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I think you're completely missing a major point here. Nurses don't complain that they are low paid, per se (although I wouldn't imagine many in this country would do what nurses do, in the conditions nurses work in and for the same salary). As you say, they know the salary levels to expect when they take the job. It is the lack of cost of living increases that is the problem, particularly when pay increases for other public sector workers outweigh nurses' increase every single time. The problem is that, unlike firemen, for example, they know that nurses will never hold a full strike.

For many years now, nurses have seen the pay increases for other public sector services, as well as the increases in their shopping bills, utility bills, tax bills, etc and many are leaving the industry, which has had a knock on effect of rapidly thinning down the expertise in the NHS, which has led to recruitment elsewhere, which has led to a reduction in standards and an increase in staffing costs (where hospitals have had to employ temporary staff), which has ultimately cost the government more than if they had been fair with the nurses in the first place. Nurses won't strike, but they will quit and find a job with better pay and better conditions.

 

i agree with Darfield red the forces should be let in free, whether they see action or not they are in a job that at a drop of a hat could do so. To keep our shores ( and others safe )

 

Think it's a fantastic idea, about time we helped people less fortunate than us. Well played Leyton Orient.

 

No, it was actually more in anger at your wishy-washy liberal comments and your suggestive attitude towards those who joined up of their own freewill. And don't include me in your assumption 'we voted for them' , because I didn't and don't.

 

Surely if you don't vote then by your inaction you did contribute to the current govt being in power?

 

Don't normally wish ill fortune on people but it's reading posts like this that I hope the comfortable world of the original op would come crashing down just for a little while, loads of my mates in they're fifties who were good workers in there heyday and would never have claimed benefits whilst there was honest work now find themselves between unemployment and low paid jobs.

 

Which are those?

My suggestive attitude? I don't want to **** 'em mate.

Now, I'm just off to get angry at someone who thinks we should help out the homeless. The rotten b'stards.

 

Fair play to leyton orient, they see the bigger picture!


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Comfortable world? I'll swap you for a day

 

ask a fcukin fireman if he'd sooner face a burning chip pan or a mortar attack from the taliban or ISIS...I wonder what the odds are for getting killed as either a cop or a fireman as opposed to a soldier,no contest really..

oh,i'd sooner have a soldier over a fireman anyday of the week....at least you can dip'em in a boiled egg.:tongue:

 

Bar steward now I wanna eat a boiled egg.

 

If I'm completely honest I can see both sides of the argument but in the general scheme of things I don't really have an issue with giving concessions to a particular group and if it helps to bring in more fans then fine. I do think that the bigger point of low earners who might not have much disposable income is also a valid one and I can see why they may see the reduced entry prices for those not working as not being fair.

 

Correct. Nursing is a vocation. People don't do it knowing it's going to make them rich, they do it because they want to help and care for people.

 

No I'm not. I'm differentiating between the politicians who make the decisions and the young men and women who have to carry out the orders. If you think that a private in the army, the navy or the air force is any more responsible for the wars in the middle east, or anywhere else for that matter, than a policeman or a nurse, a factory worker or a teacher, then you simply have no understanding of the situation.

I'm not excusing sending people to die. I'm not excusing any of the decision makers. I'm recognising that the people actually given the task of implementing a policy from a democratically elected government are worthy of recognition because the job our nation has asked them to do is a horrendous one. It's cheaper tickets for soldiers not Tony Blair.

It's possible to be completely against the wars our government have taken us in to, to campaign against them, but to still recognise the bravery of the people who actually have to do it.

 

Your attitude is why this government and previous ones can send people to kill and be killed. Last time I checked "policeman or a nurse, a factory worker or a teacher(s)" dont go about shooting people. How can they be as responsible as people who do the killing?

As I said originally, I have time and sympathy for people who dont know better, or are in such a financial situation they see it as a way out - but those who join up of their own free and are intelligent enough to know they're getting themselves into....

It's not a democracy, it's an elected oligarchy.

Why should you recognise the bravery of people when you fundamentally disagree with what the are doing? You don't think there's any personal responsibility? What you're actually saying is along the lines of,

"What you're doing is wrong, you shouldn't do it or be made to do it. You're making the world a more dangerous place and killing innocent people. But here, have a free ticket for being brave."

 

This is the most bizarre argument I've ever been involved in. You're laying the blame of successive governments going to war at my door when I've consistently voted against any MP whose party has supported military action, when I've written letters to my MP urging them to vote against it and when I've taken to the streets to march against the wars.

The reason I'm being blamed for this? I don't mind that a few armed forces personnel get a cheaper ticket in to a football game.

Do you know what would happen if we didn't have people volunteering for the armed forces? They'd conscript policemen and nurses and factory workers and teachers to do their bidding.