Terror Attacks in London ...

But the suggestion isn't to search EVERY Asian, it is to use police resource wisely and target the area were the biggest perceived threat is from, thereby searching more Asians than other sectors.
To move this a little then, we either don't have the police searching anyone (I'm sure that'd go down well when theres a threat) or to balance things up they search a percentage based upon how many of the population there are - so I guess that would mean searching more caucasian people than any other group, given that the main threat is not from caucasians then isn't that a waste of police time?
Perhaps yesterday when I gave a description to the police of the person who vandalised my car they should also bring in for questioning a few people that didn't match my description at all - just to be fair like!

 

One of the bombers...

Correct me if I'm wrong like, but wasn't he a teacher with a wife and two kids?

 

Aren't we 'after' Muslims though, what about all those from the Indian subcontinent and surrounding area (we'll discount Asians of Japanese, Chinese, Malay, Tamil and Mongol ethnic groups, these are the 'good' Asians) that are not Muslims; Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus. Can we remove them from the searches if they have a red dot on their forehead or can recite Asvaghosa's Buddhacarita. Be serious.

 

RE: One of the bombers...

He was a teaching assistant for a while. Don't get your point.

 

RE: One of the bombers...

I think his point is that he wouldn't have been an obvious candidate to carry out a bombing.

 

RE: One of the bombers...

I wasn't trying to make a point, just asking a question.

 

RE: One of the bombers...

Errr, no actually.

It was a simple question, no point to it but trying to get my facts right.

 

RE: One of the bombers...

ok

 

No we aren't "after Muslims" - they are no more doing this in the name of Islam as the IRA were under the name of the Catholic church. They are, in the main, of West Asian origin, therefore you look more toward people with West Asian characteristics.

Perhaps somebody who opposes this sort of profiling might like to suggest an alternative - we KNOW that the threat is mainly from West Asians therefore it is logical to channel your resource in that direction, that is not to exclude other groups but it is to focus more in that area!

 

Not sure about that. Many al queda types are North African.

 

Hang on a sec

You're talking about a crime that's been committed there. If you can identify the physical characteristics of the person that vandalised your car then of course the police should concentrate on people that resemble such a person. In the same way, if the police are searching for the suspects whose bombs failed to go off yesterday then they should obviously concentrate on people with the physical characteristics identified by witnesses.

But Original Dazza is not talking about going after these people. He's talking about the possibility of further attacks. Do all car vandals look like the person that damaged your car? Do they? Or is it possible that others with completely different physical characteristics also vandalise cars?

Are all terrorists Asian? Are all Asians terrorists? Does perpetuating the victimisation that some of these people feel result in more or less people being driven to commit the type of atrocities that we’ve seen recently? If you believe it’s less then you’ve learnt absolutely nothing.

The answer? I dunno, it’s difficult. But victimising an entire race of people because of the actions of a tiny minority doesn’t seem like such a hot idea to me. Something needs doing, but simply targeting Asian people seem doubly dumb to me.

 

Lets take a look at the one thing all the suicide bombers had in common - none of them had a criminal conviction and they were all practising Muslims. Therefore lets pull in all the people that match that profile - then we'll see them queing up at the suicide bombers school.

One way to make things worse, piss people off. One way to make things better, don't alienate, make them part of our community.

 

Surely East Asia would be China and Japan ?

 

RE: Hang on a sec

There is no easy answer, but I'm pretty damn sure Asians will get targeted. It's not right, it's not fair, but what situation would you feel most at ease with:

1. Sat next to a Swedish guy with a rucksack on a tube or..
2. Sat next to an Asian guy with a rucksack on a tube...

Decent Asians must dread going out since this has happened. The problem is, this is going to create suspicion and hatred from both sides.

 

RE: Hang on a sec

OK, maybe not the best of example, agreed not all car vandals look the same - just using that as a point that you have to channel a finite resource.
"Does perpetuating the victimisation that some of these people feel result in more or less people being driven to commit the type of atrocities that we’ve seen recently?" It results in no more and no less - because it takes more than feeling a little victimised to lead you to blow yourself up I'd imagine. "Oh I've been stopped by the police 3 times this week, I'll show them - I'll blow myself up!" Somehow I don't think it works that way. Personally I think we are dealing with a number of people who have been brainwashed by the "masterminds" behind all this.
I'm not saying I think its a great idea to target one group, but I see the logic in it.

 

It certainly is. It's a mess.

I bet the BNP are rubbing their hands with glee. It's the worst thing that could have possibly happened for the muslim community.

 

Yep - sorry, meant West!

(doh)

 

Simple solution :

Ask everyone who gets on the train the following questions :
(1) Do you eat curry ?
(2) Do you hate Americans ?

If they answer yes to both questions - shoot them. 5 times.

Oh - just in case - you might want to ask another question :
(3) Are you carrying a gret big **** off bomb ?

If they answer yes - shoot them. With a gun. Until they are dead.

 

RE: It certainly is. It's a mess.

..and thereby hangs another problem. Far right groups I am sure - will try and exploit this. I don't see an easy way out.

 

Again, I'm not advocating you stop every one. I'm saying that if you are going to have searches that you focus upon that group. If there was a threat of fair haired caucasians planting bombs then I would expect that I'd have more likelihood of being stopped. It's not victimisation, it's not racist, it's using resources wisely.