Thank You Gordon Shepherd and Patrick Cryne

Heh heh For a minute there.........

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....I thought that was meant for me.</p>

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Interestingly Ritchie was confident enough to turn down the Rochdale job.

In 5 years time who, apart from Barnsley fans, will remember Simon Davey?

 

In an ideal world Ronaldinho would be there. Stupid thing to say. nt

 

RE: That old chestnut...

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The chairman ran both past AR who was in Canada on his hols and he agreed them. (According to GS)</p>

 

Owen ,


Like you and many others I appreciate what Patrick Cryne and Gordon Shepherd have done for the club and what they will continue to do going forward.

They do like all of us make great judgements and mistakes.In a public world, particularly football which is all about passion, emotion ,hopes ,fears, ahcievement, entertainment ,plus lots lots more -success has become " I want it now " .The media and money involved has changed our behaviour to expect that .

Patrick and Gordon, along with the rest of the Board are collectively responsible for all apsects of the club and of course their primary issue for the last 2/3 years has been club sustainability and solvency.However having a one dimensional strategy gets us nowhere if we slide down the league and get relegated again .
This simply defers the next time we come close to being in administration as income continues to fall more quickly than we can reduce costs of doing business with wage costs which are far higher than ongoing performance is worth .


I am sure Patrick and Gordon are well aware of how to run businesses and have a long term strategy , however it seems bizzare that we change managers and team selections more often than Italy changes its governments , the Red arrows its aircraft formations and a woman scorned changes her hair do /nail polish !

Driving back to Windsor today from Barnsley accompanied by a felllow London tyke who consults statistics more than I do ; it appears we have changed managers as many or more times in the last 10 years than we did from 1930's to 1978 ( apologies if I got these stats a bit wrong ).

This does not give anyone connected with our beloved football club any confidence that we have a a long term plan even though I bet we have .It also suggests a short term blame culture ; real or perceived which does not support building from squads and giving time to succeed.No one seems to ask the question who chooses these managers who fail ? and what happens to them .


Owen you are right that Barnsley will not attract the Wengers etc .Would you come to Barnsley knowing that your chances of being sacked are the highest odds possible without time to deliver ?

So of course we are going to have to choose from those you so eloquently state .

For what it is worth I think the seletion process for appointing managers could do with a good sort out and our scouts should be assessed for competence ( or recruit one of Reading's scouts ) .

However we could consider finding an old even retired wise successful manager to mentor the new guy .Even now as we are struggling it might help .

No !of course this is Barnsley and we all have that chip on shoulder and know everything don't we ?

With regard to who manages the club ,this is the job of the board ,but when they sack a manager ,I am sure for good reasons ,the fans, players and the Board itself expect the replacement to do better.Sowhy does this not happen ?

Reality shows we have a naive coach ( not yet a manager ) with potential if he had a mentor as described above .He has tried to improve discpline at the cub which anyone who hits the Barnsley Metropolis ! on a weekend know this is badly needed .I wish him well and hopehe turns it round ASAP.

Unfortunately he has brought players into the club who are both worse than the ones we have and maybe some better ( reserve judgment on the Hungarians ).Time will tell .

His leadership style appears to be drop anyone who makes a bad mistake or who mouths at the manager ,then shuffle the cards.

Alex Ferguson can get away with this because of his position in the premier league coupled with his astute judgement about which players mouth off because of frustration and which show no respect.

I would bet Davey has not yet learnt this lesson as it takes experience of managing at this current level .He will learn it in time.

I am not a football expert. Simply a life long fan with basic level coaching licences in UK and USA which run out soon .

What I see is increasingly poor performances and radically different team seletions every game .Most are not forced so presumably these are proactive decisions .

Saturday was a de ja vu for me of Crystal Palace away ; the day it was obvious Richie was on his way. The team did not come out of the starting blocks, their heads were down as they took the pitch .Just like saturday.Why ?

Did something happen in the dressing room .Where was Kay ? Why was Togwell on the bench ?

I will always accept the managers right to pick the team but he got it wrong on saturday and did little to correct it until too late .Why? Hehad nothing to lose.

Accepting club PR should always be as positive as possible it would have been nice to hear him say so .Even in private to the Board and the players.Hope he does.

Like most of this bulletin Board I want Davey to turn it round so we stay up this season and take the summer to improve .

In the awful unthinkable event that this is not possible I want to be able to say that our team battled with pride for every ball and went down fighting until the 90th minute of the last game.

Right now it feels that we are reverting to rolling over if we are one nil down with out fighting .

Suggest the squad, manager and fans revive the Leeds home game every morning ,noon and night until they believe they can do it and we see passion , feet to feet passing, a midfield that holds its position ,with Howard in the middle where he belongs supported by Togwell, some pace on the wings, try out the new strikers ( can't be any worse ) , teach Colgan how to command his area , sort out a stable defence ,particularly have cover for the right&left backs so that the 2 centre halfs do not have to leave the middle wide open .

Finally everyone pray that Walwork comes back ; as our new captain and suggest Mattis sits next to me !

Starting at Southampton I hope . At least we can have fun staying over partying if we play like saturday and I am told the shops are wonderful .

See some of you there perhaps !

Freya

 

This doesn't add up......

A lot of fans stated after the Cardiff play-off final and during the summer, that they'd be happy finishing 4th from bottom, and then building on that for the 2nd Championship season..........Isn't that what the club are doing now? So what's the complaint.........As the way I see it, to achieve 4th from bottom, you DO have to have crap games, get hammered, and generally look poor during the season, if we didn't, we'd be mid-table.

So what the hell do people expect? We are nearly on course for 4th from bottom, and therefore, looking back to the summer of 2006, we should all be happy.

Do people not realise what finishing 4th from bottom means. It doesn't mean playing well and winning every game up until February, but only to lose a straight 15 games at the end of the season to move from 3rd in the table, to 4th from bottom.

 

But don't forget

in order to guarantee being no lower than 4th from bottom you have to aim higher just in case.

 

Patrick and Gordon are two seperate people.

Paticularly in the context of this discussion.

 

exactly

this whole we have to win ugly thing is getting to me. its like davey is encouraging poor play

 

exactly

this whole we have to win ugly thing is getting to me. its like davey is encouraging poor play

 

now thats more like it - have a read of that owen! nt

 

yes i was so keen to get

a failed championship striker in

 

BTT - I'd like to see Owen's comments. nt

 

While GS was turning Shuker away? He was that deperate to sign players

he could turn away the ones we already had. It's crap, if GS was so desperate to sign players then why turn Shuker away on a point of principle?