The authorities for sport and entertainment changing ticketing rules

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    RE: Your friend touted the tickets

    Can't decide if you are serious or not with that post

    As you can imagine you need to apply for rugby tickets well in advance at the time he applied he could go but due to unforseen circumstances he found with 2 days to go he had to be elsewhere

    I thought that we were trying to stop touts buying up large numbers of tickets and selling them on at inflated prices not mates getting them for each other at cost.
     
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    I was also in one of the home stands at Anfield.

    If I want to pay over face value for a ticket, what business is it of anyone else's? Nobody forced me to do so.

    I couldn't get one from Barnsley FC or from Liverpool FC (ie official channels) and I was very, very grateful to have the opportunity to pay three times face value in order to get in.
     
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    RE: Your friend touted the tickets

    I thought it was so that tickets go to people who deserve them. I'm sure England rugby tickets are very difficult to get hold of. I'm also sure there were many people who have followed English rugby over the years who couldn't get tickets for that particular match. Your mate used his connections with a local rugby club to get those tickets and then touted them on to a mate. That's what touting is. The tickets should have been returned and resold to a person on the waiting list.

    I know how it sounds, but it's situations like you have described above that is the main reason for loyal fans missing out on England games, FA Cup finals, trips to Liverpool, things like that.
     
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    At 2 days notice?

    How does that work then

    ( he also checked with the club it was OK and there was no one there was desperate for them, as they were named and identifiable as from FRC and they told him that it was ok to pass them on as long as it was at cost - honest!)

    There was no time to change the name though so there would have been 2 empty seats if the system outlined was in place.
     
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    Thats touting according to Jay

    There are others more deseving so you arent allowed to give tickets away if you follow his logic
     
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    I also take it that it's touting

    If I go for tickets for me and a couple of friends, and then the friends give me the money for them equal to what I paid out?
     
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    RE: At 2 days notice?

    Non league sides and local clubs affiliated to local Football Associations mostly raffle cup final tickets to raise funds for their particular clubs.

    These raffles are open to anyone to win. So if clubs name is on them no problems.
     
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    Don't get all stroppy

    In the case above you would obviously give the name of the person you are buying for as you would if you were buying for you and friends in EastStanders case.
     
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    If you pay over face value to a tout

    The governement doesn't get the VAT or the tax on the profits.

    And here in may be the answer.
     
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    Im not getting stroppy - I just dont agree with you thats all

    If you argue that people can only get tickets if they are entitled to them via waiting lists special status etc then its also not correct to get them as a present for someone who isnt entitled to one.

    Eaststanders case is different - as long as his mates were entitled to tickets thats fair enough

    I think that the issue that needs addressing is people getting tickets with the sole intention of selling them at a profit
    Not people exchanging tickets at face value

    I know you had a bad experience with Liverpool tickets I was very nearly in the same position ( I was lucky that someone else couldnt go and got their ticket but my Dad couldnt go we are both ST holders ) but that was due to the club not organising sale properly - not really a touting issue of the sort that is trying to be caught by the proposal above
     
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    Jay's just bitter about missing the Liverpool game...

    ... blue touch paper lit.
     
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  12. Jay

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    While that certainly is true

    I don't agree with being able to get tickets because you know a club official/player/etc ahead of the devoted fan.
     
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    RE: Nah

    There is a massive difference between a Playstation and an event ticket. When somebody purchases that ticket from a tout they do so because they have no choice. If they want to be at the 'event', which has obvious time constraints, they have to pay whatever it is the tout wants for the ticket. It is like blackmail. In the case of you buying a Playstation and selling it on for profit, the purchaser has plenty of option. They can pay you an inflated price or they can go elsewhere, and still have the end result of owning the Playstation.

    I agree that is what touting is about though. It is not touting IMO if the ticket is sold on for face value. A tout is a person who buys tickets at face value when they are available and then sells, once there is limited availability, at inflated prices.
     
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    Nope, there's no difference really

    There are loads of examples of this - such as when the shops sell out of playstations / nintendos at xmas. The buyer faces the same choices when their youngster wants one of these things.

    This always happends when demand outstrips supply - yet the "entertainment industry" always seems to get these draconian laws passed to their benefit.
     
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    Why does that require a law change?

    He's clearly committing an offence (by not paying his taxes).

    Buying something and then selling something for a profit shouldn't be wrong should it? I've already pointed out that play.com are clearly "ticket touting."
     
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