The Beckham issue...

RE: Good point

Keane is a master of the holding role. Beckham I'm afraid is now being wrapped in kid gloves to protect his image rights. All he did was pass and fall down, he barely moved last night. As Terry Butcher says, his legs have gone.

 

RE: Good point

I don't think I've read a post from you yet that didn't have someone else's opinion hidden or directly quoted within it Roundsman. Do you have a reasonable argument in your head?

You appear to be missing the point. Beckham is not a holding role player, it doesn't take a tactical genius to point that out, in fact someone like you could probably work that out without reading the back page of the Sun.

What I can't see in the 'let's blame Beckham' camp, is exactly how is that his fault. Once you look through the cloud of judgement you're dwelling in, why not look at individual performances within a **** system and see who did their job as instructed.

 

RE: Good point

This "Beckham barely moved" thing - have we got 2 players called Beckham then cause I distinctly recall a number of occasions when he snubbed passes out in midfield, picked the ball up in our penalty area etc. Gets about a bit for someone who barely moves. Now tell me where Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney were moving to cause I thought the idea of a 4-5-1 was that you get runners coming from midfield and I only saw Wright-Phillips doing that on a regular basis. Rooney scares defenders when he runs at them, he would have terrorised the Irish had he donw so, at half time the touchline reporter said that Wright-Phillips had been given a brief to stick down the right wing but that Rooney had been told before the game to drift in, yet he stuck out wide all the time. Probably why all Beckhams balls were being pinged to the right, because there was no movement anywhere else.

 

RE: Good point

When folk get personal and nasty it means they are losing the argument. Thanks. I'll not insult you however, you obviously know everything and I know nothing.

 

As spoken from a Barcelona point of view?

He was our best man by a country mile..

 

Sorry Roundsman

I apologise and take back the personal and nasty stuff I've have said and agree I overstepped the line there.

I still don't see the point you're making though. How is England's failing recently all Beckham's fault? I cannot for the life of me see where he cost us the game or how anyone else in exactly the same position would have done any better.

The system is to blame, if that was a player revolt for the Wales game, then Sven's an idiot for backing down and playing it.

 

RE: Sorry Roundsman

Apology accepted. I don't think it's all Beckhams fault. There was a rumour that after the humiliation of the Danish game, Lampard, Beckham and Gerrard went in and suggested the formation was the reason they lost and they would be better playing 4-5-1. Whether that was true or not, I don't know, but if Sven agreed then he's not fit for the job.

The coaching and system is all wrong. SWP was our best player, and he was subbed for...Joe Cole??? Why?

Then Defoe was brought on, so we end up playing with 3 miget strikers and long balls being pumped into the box. Rooney was asked to play in 3 different positions.

Beckham is at is best on the right. I still hold a grudge against him for his prima donna attitude at Oakwell I'm afraid, but I do think he is well past his best. (As is Owen).

 

RE: Sorry Roundsman

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Owen surprised me last night, he wasn't up to the pace but he held up the ball and kept possession against the odds numerous times.

I don't think he's passed his best either, I think by Christmas he'll be on fire. Particularly if he doesn't score. Them Geordies are a fickle bunch.

SWP played better against Wales, but he still provided a threat. He lost possession more then he did the other night though.

 

Harsh.

 

"deedahs no mr

 

Why? 'cos they agree wi thi?

 

In that case, why does Hargreaves get picked for Munich?

Couldn't you apply that "Beckham" logic to those who criticise Owen Hargreaves?

I don't suppose there is any mileage in my suggesting Beckham was "moved" to enable (the useless) SW-P to play? I seem to remember quite a few folk wanting him in the team at Beckham's expense.

I wonder what Beckham would have done with so much possession out on the wing. Sadly, he can't pass to himself.

There are TWO central midfield places up for grabs. I would suggest Sven plays TWO central midfielders in the team (not FOUR).