"The best thing for disabled children is the guillotine...."

am not saying it isn't marlon,but i'll stand by what I said,somebody needs to sort the welfare system out,labour wouldn't do it because its their voters they'd be upsetting,so it looks like this lot needs to do it.I agree with what you said about folk being made redundant and then encouraged to go on benefits,but it couldn't go on and its marvellous how many who were previously unfit to work are now able to do so.Having said this I know also that some who could never work are being made to look for it,one bloke who comes in my shop is backwards(sorry if that's a bit old fashioned) for want of a better word and he's had a cut in his benefits and he cant even stand and argue his case because he stutters if he has to string more than two words together and if he's under real pressure he cant even get the first word out.
It's typical of owt governments do,in that the innocent get caught up in it.

 

I have no doubt that while there may be people who are officially classed as disabled they are fit for work so the figures can be manipulated by both sides. I know people who are 'disabled' and claim incapacity yet they are only limited in what they can do where work is concerned. Call it Daily Mail propoganda if you want but it is no less accurate than the propoganda spewed by The Guardian.

 

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That's naive to say the least, I guess you missed the expenses scandal and the local MP getting sent to jail.

 

When the Tories closed my colliery I watched grown men crying, men older than me at the time men in their fifties who knew they were never gonna work again who'd worked in mining all their lives and thought they were gonna retire whilst in mining .
Wen they went to sign for their redundancy they were encouraged to claim benefits by managers who were giving advice probably unoficially by gov't who turned a blind eye knowing the plight they were going through
These same men would now be going through the Tory kicking of the unemployed etc, dsgustig imo as these men were proud miners and wanted to work but couldn't for Tory policy but would be classed by anyone tat didn't know their curcumstances as layabouts ad benefit cheats.

 

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No saw that but noticed the Tories moat got cleaned and expensive duck house missed the clear out

 

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The modern day Labour Party represent middle-class people from North London, not the working-classes, in fact they despise and fear the working classes and try to legislate against the things that give them pleasure.

Th Conservative Party doesn't care about the working classes because they don't vote for them but the Labour party thinks they are an ignorant mob ("bigoted woman") who need to be educated into having the "correct" views by left-wing teachers and lecturers and BBC propaganda dramas.

 

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i'll agree with you on this.When I asked a labour mp what had been achieved by the hunting ban he thought he'd won me over (knowing I was an ex miner) by saying they'd got the tories back for the miners strike and pit closures,i pointed out that they had now turned hundreds of working class folk with lurchers into criminals and that if they'd really wanted to get back at the tories then they should have re-nationalised the industry and opened some pits back up. their reasons for banning hunting had very little to do with animal welfare.

 

As I said 10 years experience as a benefit fraud investigator two as benefit fraud manager. So actual first hand experience not taking it from anywhere. Yes there are some people who at the whims of governments of the day have been classified incorrectly as incapable of work to manipulate unemployment statistics these are a very small minority these days and you are basically left with the people who have become virtually unemployable. Again you don't stigmatise all disabled people to tackle this problem. Unfortunately most initiatives that were shown to be successful have ended and been replaced with flawed programs that look good to the daily mail reader but deliver little.

More benefits that people are entitled to are left unclaimed than are lost to fraud I think the latest unofficial official ratios about twice as much. Even within this the figures for fraud and error are lumped together to give a misleading analysis.

It's all about how a society treats the most vulnerable. Does it promote an image where every disabled person is viewed with suspicion and attacks on disabled people are encouraged by the hyperbolic language of ministers basically making things up to suit their political whims. As I said this to me feels different to party politics it is blatant victimisation of a group seen as too weak to fight back and disgusts me.

 

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Labour policy is made at local level by anyone that cares to be a member and votes accordingly but true to human design if the policies some of them favour are voted out they sometimes cry foul and moan, such is the human thinking.
But Make no mistake the Tory party are dominated by rich and powerful and undemocratic donators by the rich for the rich.

 

Not really shocked by that, I wouldn't expect anything less. When it comes to compassion to the sick and elderly this government arent far off the Nazi party

 

Jimmy - when you were a fraud investigator did you come across many families swindling the working families tax credit?

 

why not.

13 years this, 13 years that. We have been left in the **** this, we have been left in the **** that etc etc

I am pretty sure if it was the other way around, it would still be mentioned, but thats politics.

Politics,

its all *****

 

It's a fair point.

I'm all for beating Tories with sticks, I just think we can find bigger and better sticks.

 

Well we came across people obtaining child tax credit and working tax credit fraudulently. Mainly women claiming to be Loan parents to obtain lone parent supplements whilst living with a partner or failing to declare a partner to obtain a raft of benefits including working tax credit. . There was a no prosecution policy however until recently (unless it fell under the definition serious and organised) so we used to pass the information onto HMRC who administered it and they would do little or nothing. This is apparently changing with investigations to be conducted by DWP staff by as I understand it is still in its embryonic stages. The most prevalent form of benefit fraud is usually committed by households with a male partner in employment who is not declared or declared to have left whilst the women claims to be a lone parent with no income. About 60 percent of my prosecutions were this.

What most people fail to understand is that the majority of benefits paid to working age people are paid to those actually in work mainly in the form of Housing benefit or working tax credit or child tax credit rather than those who don't work at all. This changed as a result of poor decision making first by the Tories then by Labour on Housing Policy. Flogging off council houses without replacing them and leaving people to pay market rents by private landlords. And also the decision made to prop up employers who don't pay a living wage through the tax credit system.

 

Who ever is the ruling party they all follow the same mantra,

'' the working class can kiss my arse as I've got the foremans job at last"

Red yellow or blue.