The call to axe Rooney from the World Cup squad gathers pace...

Let rooney play on the left or right, to allow the best striker in the country (sturridge) to play in his best position through the middle.

If rooney is as good as people crack him out to be, he ought to be able to adapt, as suarez has at livepool.

 

Rooney would play anywhere RothRed bt maybe he could be played a bit deeper like he plays for Manchester United with RVP, Take a centre mid out and put him on the wing (could be welbeck. Played well for England out there. )

 

He is not good enough Phil, how many tournament goals has he scored? Not friendly goals against teams playing in second gear or qualifiers against teams who would struggle in the conference but tournament goals against the better teams.

 

you can't judge a players career on how many Tournament goals hes scored.
He's not been right for them for a long time for different things.
Thats like Saying murray isn't a Top Top Tennis player because he hasn't done well in the ATP tour finals.

They play for 10 months a year. 10 month, 10 years. 100 month. your judging him for 4/5% of the that. WTF

 

For most of my lifetime, the England team have been over-rated. In the past, despite being over-rated, football fans generally had no problem getting behind the team and enjoying tournament football. They could still identify with the England team.

Nowadays, many people, myself included, can't identify with them at all because there is a complete disconnect between top end footballers and the fans that fund their ridiculously lavish lifestyles. There is a general discontent with the inequity of it, not just the amount these players get paid, but the fact that it drives the insane costs associated with football upwards, and affects our own team's ability to compete in an increasingly unfair structure.

That is why some people seem to 'just enjoy moaning and negativity' - they have just about had enough of it. I am one of them.

Even in the past 12 years, I can remember leaving home at 3am, to arrive close to my days' appointment at the other end of the country before an early morning England game at the WC, before doing a day's work, and breaking off from a drive across the country after work to spend 2 hours in my suit in the nearest pub I can find with a telly shining through the window, all to follow England at the world cup. This summer, I am not sure I will be arsed to turn on Five Live to find out if they won. I am NOT BOTHERED.

Did we play a friendly this week? - can't say I even noticed.

 

How else do you judge a striker at international level? And I can't be arsed to look for it but I am pretty sure that you have just contradicted a previous argument that you have put forward.

 

Surely IF you are to judge him on a international career then you look at his international career and that 80/90 games in Wayne's case.

Waynes turned up and played Injured because he wanted the team to win that much that he'll have put himself through Pain to try and help.

And this don't care BS, you only have to listen to that Defoe doc on itv to see what they think about playing for England.

To me this is how it must go

They turn up to England duty. Try and do there best for the team. Give any money to Charity for it and risk injury that could put them out for ever and all poeple do is criticise

 

Good post and I agree with a lot of it.

However, In my life time, I've never been able to identify with top end footballers. They've always been highly paid superstars to me. (First tournament I remember watching was Euro 96). Not being able to identify with them hasn't stopped my enjoyment though, in the same way not identifying with Leonardo Di Caprio didn't stop me from enjoying The Wolf of Wall Street.

There's a lot of anger aimed towards highly paid footballers, but really who can blame them? They're only receiving a wage that the market is willing to pay. The anger(if there should be any) should be aimed at the distribution of TV money rather than than the players themselves.

 

The extent to which they have been out of the radar of fans lives has only esculated beyond all reason though. In 1995, when the PL was 2 years old and Blackburn won the league, Alan Shearer was the big superstar of the day. He was the first, or one of the first, on 20k a week, or 1 million pounds a year. That was a fortune. It still is. But less than 20 years later, the top end is 300k a week, or 15 Million every year. That's 1400% inflation, in less than 20 years. I'd have to win the lottery 4 times, every year, to match that.

In 1995, when Shearer was on 1 million a year, I was on 15k a year. so he earned 66 times as much as me.

Now, Rooney earns more than 300 times as much as me. And I am on a decent salary. It takes me nearly a whole year of getting up at 5am and travelling 40k miles around the country delivering consultancy to customers to earn what Rooney gets in 1 day.

That's why I am so not bothered any more. It's just beyond reason.

And then you get people like HT saying that it is justified because he sells a lot of overpriced shirts. And it makes me realise that whilstever there are people who just don't get it, we really are fecked.

 

My debut BBS debate and I've found myself on HT's side...not ideal.

My original post was stating that wages are irrelevant to who gets picked for England. It seems there's another thread developing to discuss wages.

Regardless if he's overpaid or a bit of a ****, Rooney deserves his place in the England team.

 

Good post, this sums up my feelings towards England. I couldn't care less and I won't be watching.

 

Spot on.

 

I'm going to take a rucsac, tent, stove and sleeping bag and disappear into the back of beyond in North Yorkshire while it's on. The nearest thing I'll get to the WC is when I sit on one.

 

I will be getting behind them, but stand by my opinion that he shouldn't be in the team. Get Sturridge through the middle with Llalana/Welbeck/Ox/Sterling out wide. It's about a TEAM and we are better without him.

 

For me he should be in the squad, but maybe not an automatic place in starting eleven. With the heat out there Roy will be changing personnel from match to match I would imagine and that`s where we need strength in depth.

 

Didn't Einstein define madness as repeating the same behaviour time after time but expecting different results.

We have tried entering tournaments relying on Rooney as our main player this has spectacularly failed as he has been very poor. So maybe it's time to try something different build a team around Sturridge who is clearly the best English forward at the moment and pace down the wings. Of course take Rooney on the basis there us no one better but use him sparingly as an impact sub or false number 9.

Of course you judge players by their impact on the major tournaments playing against the better teams rather than against the average ones. It's why Defoe is good against San Marino as he plays the role of flat track bully so well but average as soon as he comes across better defenders.

Like many others I feel a disconnect from the England team and won't be watching their games as they are always stilted and dull. I supported Ghana last time as they played with soul and joy. So will do the same again support a team that cares about it's supporters and plays decent football.

Love Barnsley Hate Football.

 

Couldn't have said it better.

You'll find that on here, most people just like to moan for the sake of moaning.