The first 100 days after the first case in various epidemics since 2000

Completely missed the point.

Read my other post in this thread which explains what I'm getting at

 

I haven’t missed the point at all.

You show stats from the US for one. Here’s the UK stats.

On average since 2014 - 17,000 people die per annum with Flu (46 per day).

We are currently in almost complete lockdown and we are averaging approx 260 per day since the first death 30 days ago. Over the last week or so it’s closer to 800.

Hospital admissions arent even close as the 2 graphs below show. The top one is admissions per week for Flu strains.

The bottom one is admissions to ICU.

Its not comparable at all and the nonsense you’ve spouted in posting your graphs needs to be put right.

 

They don’t.

 

Yes I said it was US alone. I can't find weekly figures for world deaths like the other parts of the graph show. Good job I can't really as you probably wouldn't be able to see the other parts of the chart once you have to scale it up so much.

Let's just clarify again though. I am not comparing the deadliness of the two in anyway to play down covid-19
I am fully aware that we have both a vaccine and available drugs for influenza which thankfully keeps the death toll down? I am aware that we do not have that for covid-19 making it far more serious.
I posted in this thread solely because donny-red was trying to be clever clearly trying to say 'this shows flu isn't serious, the deaths aren't even on the graph'
I have explained that my point is that the general public are apathetic towards the killer that is flu. That is my point.

Do you disagree and believe that the public take all the necessary precautions with flu?

 

It’s hard to tell. I see people taking a **** all the time and then not wash their hands.

I wash my hands all the time and practice cleanliness and educate my kids/family to do the same and I would hope that’s reflected I most family homes around the UK.

I don’t think we talk about Flu enough in general years so I agree, but I think it’s wrong to keep mentioning flu in this pandemic. It’s not comparable and it’s muddying the message and how we as a country are trying to beat this awful virus.

I don’t come on here to argue mate, I really don’t. But we have to stop this because it’s what made people not take it seriously from January/February including the government who thought it was another flu like virus and how wrong they were which has probably already caused 1000s of lives.

It’s now time to stop talking about flu. If we get this pandemic under control and beaten then yes it probably needs to be discussed and this is could be the catalyst for change in terms of health and hygiene and not being ignorant to it. But now is the time to beat this by looking at this virus in isolation because even though you might not think you are, it definitely has and does read like you are downplaying this virus. If 10 people think it’s no more dangerous than flu, then that’s 100s of people who could be put in more risk because they take their eye off the ball, and the ripple effect is massive.

In some other posts you’ve spoken about idiots not following advice, it only takes one idiot to read flu kills more than Covid and hey presto.

 

Yes I totally get that. My point is more to say "we need to start taking flu as seriously as this" rather than saying "this is ONLY as serious as flu" if that makes sense.

And honestly i wouldn't mention flu even half as much if it wasn't for donny-red's infuriating belittling attitude and how he mentions it in a mocking way

 

The thing is I think we are all a little charged up at the moment. Nobody knows how to beat this virus and what’s going to happen next.

It’s like Brexit on acid and people are becoming entrenched in what they think should happen, so emotions are high.

I know for one that we all want the same thing which is to get back to normal as quickly and safely as possible whilst saving as many lives as we can.

Not having any clue on how we are going to get that normality back though is what is going to be mentally taxing for us all over the coming months.

 

Problem with that graph though is it’s not comparing apples with apples. Most CV cases are in first world countries where most Flu cases are in third world countries.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/

edit: check out the flu deaths in comparison with test of Europe

 

Correct, well said. The sooner they either find workable drugs (think that's long before vaccines) the better.

On a slightly related but also unrelated note I've been thinking about yesterday's discussion about the essential worker thing. Now I still know you misinterpreted what it means and mistakingly thought that it meant only essential workers can work but what I've realised is that sort of proves your original point that means that on that aspect at least the information wasn't clear enough. It was 100% clear once you realised what they meant but it wasn't clear enough FOR people to understand what it meant. You, many others, and at least two national newspapers got it wrong. That says that they didn't clarify it well enough.

 

In what way do you mean it isn't comparing apples with apples? Really what it is doing is comparing one Apple tree (the US) with an entire orchard(covid-19)

 

That’s actually something I was going to write last night as a response. I decided to step away from the BBS and get involved in an online virtual quiz with the family and friends on Zoom instead.

Like I said I don’t come on here to argue so I appreciate the last message.

 

Apologies missed the 10 day part!
As an aside just done a bit of digging and it appears Flu deaths have been on the increase over the last few years in America with huge jumps (in 2010 was 12000). 2018/19 was just under 1700 (2014 was 28k) in UK.

 

But flu deaths wouldn’t outstrip in the way you’ve suggested, certainly not in the UK, (though they’d be much higher than most people imagine)

you showed total US deaths because it looks dramatic, you had access to much better (timeline) UK data and chose not to show that.

I don’t wonder why?

 

Why would UK data be more accurate when comparing with world data? The data for covid-19 was indeed world data wasn't it? Why as a data analyst would you believe that comparison the data worldwide with that of a population of 66m be more accurate?

Also no I don't have access to UK figures weekly

 

You used a single country (which despite its wealth has an appalling healthcare system) without a timeline which looks dramatic.

I simply suggested you could have used a different single country which tells a different story.

 

But it is compared against the WORLD so why does it matter which single country it is? And I'll say again I have access to us figures weekly I didn't have access to UK weekly figures.

 

Well it was an entire years data compared to the first 100 days. And it’s well documented numbers, whereas we still have no idea how good the data capture is for Covid-19.

but apart from that, it was a great comparison

 

Hey ST,

The problem with your graph is it’s not looking at the right timescales so it’s not a true comparison.

The Flu deaths on the graph are one year in the US (which happened to be the most in recent history) so far in 3 months Global Covid deaths are 86k reported when we know that’s probably far more. The US averages between 12k (a good year) to 25k (bad year).


It’s not even a true or real comparison.

 

And yet it’s yet to have a significant impact into the overall UK deaths:

 

Because we have shut the country down?

What do you want to happen Matt because to me you don’t seem to a) think that Covid is a bad as what people say it is b) the economy is more important or c) herd immunity is the only way to get out of this pandemic.

If we open the country up do what do you think will happen to your graph and to what extent in extra deaths would you feel comfortable?