The killing of Jean Charles de Menenez.

Fair point

The difference between you and "guest" though is that while you weren't quick to judge the "facts" at the time, you also didn't jump in to judge others straight away this morning.

Sign of a fair bloke in my opinion.........and a gay

 

RE: Fair point

rampantly bumbuggery posting there from you.

 

RE: Fair point

Back off Dirk

 

Back up ?

You dirty little man.

 

RE: Over simplified response..........

He can sit their and spout all that endless rhetoric about "our resolve" and how "we won't be beaten by terrorists" but he's not actually talking about himself, he's talking about everyone out here in the real world. He doesn't have to catch a tube or a bus to work because when he goes anywhere its in a bullet proof car with armed police. The f*cking coward doesn't even take the short walk from Downing Street to The House of Commons anymore because its "too dangerous". Probably a good job, there's plenty of people in this country who'd give the ******* a good shoeing. He's a draconian, authoritarian, murdering liar who's hands are covered in the blood of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and several dozen British citizens.

Anyone seen that the Independent is reporting today that Baghdad morgue alone had about 1,100 dead bodies brought into it in July? Before the war the morgue were getting about 20 gunshot deaths per month.

 

Your feelings towards Blair

echo mine.

 

If they werent so grossly negilgent they wouldnt be in this mess.

 

Assuming of course that the full report is anything to go by

We are being told that there was ample CCTV footage of all previous suspects, including surviving footage of a bomber from a camera on a train blown up on 7th July, yet every single camera which could have shown what Menedez was wearing and how he was behaving, turns out to have been broken!  Thus, rather than cmaera footage, the report will be based upon conflicting eyewitness reports.

Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but am I the only one who smells a cover-up?

 

I am not talking about the negligence as much as I am referring to the fact that they had such a decision to make.

IF he had have been who they thought he was and they had not acted as they did and he had detonated another bomb thus instigating another mass atrocity. Then that would have negligence of the highest order.

Because of the situation they an horrific decision to make, unfortunately it appears they got it wrong,

 

Ignore this.

Posted in the wrong place and edited.

 

Who are you and what are your sources?..............n/t

 

I'm with you on this one

We can only comment on information in the public domain - fact or otherwise.

As it stands from what I've read in the press, a man was followed by an unarmed surveillance team from a complex of 9 flats which was under surveillance.

He got onto, and was followed onto a bus.

He made a phone call telling someone he may be late due to tube disruption following the previous days events.

Now knowing he was travelling to a tube station, an unarmed team decided to summon for an armed team to be at Stockwell tube station to arrest the man outside.

The team arrive seconds after the suspect has entered the tube station and armed officers follow him down an escalator.  As anyone who's tried using a mobile phone on the tube knows, once you're down there you're on your own.

So, with limited or no contact by radio, you're in a tube station with hundreds of people. You have a gun. You've just followed someone identified to you as a terror suspect onto a tube train.

What next?

If the current version of events is close to the facts I'm still in the tragic error rather than gross negligence camp. And with Tyrone in the "than funk we'll never be the person who has to call it for real in that scenario.

 

RE: Your feelings towards Blair

You know Dirk, what amazes me is how so many people in this country just blindly accept what he's done. It's no wonder politics in this country is so sh!te when a PM can invade a country on a series of lies and false information, be partially responsible for the deaths of up to 100,000 people, keep his job and also get re-elected!

 

RE: Your feelings towards Blair

Didn't that happen in America too?

 

RE: Over simplified response..........

You accuse somebody else of an over-simplified response and then say that the Prime Minister should be picking limbs up in Iraq and should be on a tube train when the police are apprehending a suspect! Anywhere else you'd like him to be?

 

RE: Your feelings towards Blair

Whatever your political viewpoint, the disregard Blair's shown for Parliament and any sort of democratic process outside of those in his inner circle of friends and advisers has contributed greatly imho to the apathy shown by the electorate to the whole process.

 

Aye, that

along with the total absence of any opposition party who sounded like they'd do a better job.

 

This apathy is not a new phenomenon

Thatcher started the rot and Blair has continued it...

 

Dirk didn't accuse anyone of an over simplified response

He simply stated that the response he was about to give was over simplified.

 

Ne' mind then.

Safe to assume you daren't put a name to it because it's ********.