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I think most people are also fed up with Labour for creating a Welfare system that seems to encourage the scum to stay at home and not work and be better off doing so. A political party called 'Labour' encouraging people not to work, couldn't make it up.

 

Well said Mario

Glad to see someone talking sense this morning.

Every time a sensible debate is started it gets shouted down by clowns that cry racist, or reduce the argument to absurdity.

Interesting idea about limiting state support for children - too many see having kids as an income stream. There may end up being less of them, but not sure how you'd ensure the 'leftover' children in larger families don't suffer...

 

RE: What should our maximum population be then?

I haven't a clue what the answers are. But our population needs controlling, and at the moment it isn't.

 

Deliberate govt policy to let jobs go abroad too.

So we can concentrate on being the banking capital of the world. Nice.

 

RE: What should our maximum population be then?

In 2007;

There were 690,013 births
There were 504,000 deaths
There were 577,000 immigrations
There were 340,000 emigrations

The nett population increase is 423,013 in 2007. If you closed the borders (both ways?) there would still be almost 200,000 more people here a year than there was before.

 

Even before the recession

unemployment among young people 16-25 was higher than it has ever been. I just don't understand the economic or political sense in allowing tens of thousands of people here from abroad to work whilst simultaneously paying thousands of British people not to work. Where's the sense in that?

The BNP are a bunch of half-wits, but they are a direct result of a) Labour's immigration policy, which has alienated communities from each other and taken place without any notion of consent or consultation and b) Labour's identity politics - rightly or wrongly the diversity industry championed by the government are perceived to advocate the rights of any minority group over and against white Britons, especially males. I think the BNP is simply another reaction to this.

Redstar will disagree but I think white working class support for the BNP shows that the workers aren't the bunch of egalitarian internationalists that they're supposed to be

 

Yes, sense at last.

The compulsory sterilisation of the unwashed masses. </p>

Maybe we could close down all pubs and clubs in certain areas too oreven better we could put them in camps maybe.</p>

 

What proportion of births are to immigrants?

Undermines your argument somewhat Redstar

 

A 50% reduction then

Pretty impressive. Worth doing.

 

RE: Yes, sense at last.

Reducing the argument to absurdity. What an unexpected tactic!

 

You two started it! nt

 

On the other end of the same argument not many people care about certificates and qualifications once prices are put in front of them and a lot of qualified joiners, plasterers brickies etc are losing out on work in a market they can no longer compete in. Could you happily do your job and pay the bills and support your family for half your income?

While I know there are brilliantly experienced tradesman coming into the UK, (I helped an Iranian set his carpentry business up), there are a **** load more, not planning to settle, living in very cheap rented accommodation, claiming to be qualified and just making an absolute fortune by contrast and sending it home. People wanting a door hung or a fence put up at home, don't give a ****, because it's cheap. Obviously cowboys are cowboys regardless of where they come from, but there are plenty coming in putting local trademen out of business.

 

Whats up?

Wouldn't that message fit on twitter?

 

RE: What proportion of births are to immigrants?

We are all immigrants thats the point!

 

RE: Yes, sense at last.

That’s not quite what I said was it but you do have a track record of not reading posts properly before responding. Try reading what I said again or maybe I can precis my post for you?

Its about removing the financial incentive for having lots of kids. If you want them fine but pay for them yourself. Isn’t that plain common sense and economically equitable?

 

Yes and this is where I'm boring now.

 

You still can't answer teh question though...

what happens when your arbitary population limit is exceeded, as it surely will be, the figures prove it. Unless you are going to also terminate universal health care free at the point of need and dramatically reduce living standards, births will continue to exceed deaths.

If your limit is 65 million and we are on 60 now, in 25 years it will be exceeded. What next?

 

RE: You still can't answer teh question though...

Personally I don’t think you can impose a ceiling in a population arbitrary or otherwise. What you can do is try to control the figure through sound, workable and properly conceived (no pun intended) political policies.

 

Whatever way you dress it up you're

still advocating the richer people in our society telling the poorer people what they're allowed to do.All I did was take your points to further extremes, but you probably can't, or more likely don't want to, see that. Thebasic problem with the country, and world. is that if society wasn't so massively unequal then we wouldn't need all this debate about restricting people from having kids or where they're allowed to live.

 

RE: You still can't answer teh question though...

Don't worry Mother Earth will sort it out. Global Warming or such sort of disaster will sort out the World's population at some point.