The Leaders Debate Tonight

I do find it strange that we have different policies but I don't know enough to be able to fathom how or why that is. Thanks for the considered reply Ian.

 

The Barnett formula is ridiculously unfair.

Wales, NI and Scotland get their proportion of population of any English investment - yet how much investment does the north of England get in proportion to the south east or even just London? There's no ******* Barnett formula to equalise the investment put into South Yorkshire compared to South Kensington.

That is why most of 'the english' want rid of it. It's meant to make funding of services fair but it takes no notice of differences to funding between English regions.


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So Troff it all gets even more complicated. Now you want England split and to receive different investment for S Yorkshire and S Kensington.
And yet Mayhem continues to tell us we are one nation. Better together.

It really is all a mess.

 

Mayhem... and you are contributing to giving her a five year mandate.

No I don't want England split. Just a fair deal for all.

You might want complete independence from Britain. Well, England.

But it's not happening under, as you term her 'Mayhem'. It just isn't.

Vote for whom you choose. It's a democracy. But don't complain about being governed by an English Tory government and all the things that will mean, including not getting independence - and perhaps even having fewer devolved powers - when you did not take the chance to elect an alternative which for once was actually truly different


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What saddens me is that working class people in the UK has a whole used to have solidarity. In the miners strike there were no Scottish miners no English miners no Welsh miners just miners. Nationalism and in particularly Scottish nationalism has destroyed this solidarity in the aftermath of Thatcherism. Finished the job she started. We should be wanting a better society for all. A better future for all. All things in common all people one. Instead squabbling over nationalism with the SNP in Scotland and UKIP in England rather than uniting against the real enemy within.


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There seems a distinct difference between Scottish Nationalism and English Nationalism.

One seems to be about making their own decisions. The other is based on increasingly visible xenophobia and trying to rid "foreigners" from these shores.

I didn't watch the debates, nor will I watch the bbcqt version where the leaders take questions separately. I do think Corbyn missed a trick not appearing though. He is the one that has to convince millions to change their minds about him. A TV audience gives him opportunity to do that swiftly and with greater reach than standing in front of his preached converted. But then that's out of his comfort zone. He'd rather talk to his momentum inspired chorus and that will lead his party to oblivion, a very far distance from power.

 

Whether you like it or not Ian, the Scottish vote is making a huge difference to UK politics and the SNP is creating an issue for the vast majority of UK voters.

Its simply not as easy to just say, it Englands fault for voting the tories in. Ignore the countries for a second, in my view, we are North and South. In the North, we aree more closely connected to Scotland economically than the South. We are working class communities, we aren't rich, we are struggling under austerity. We need anything but another Tory Govt, which means we need every vote and every seat.

Ignoring that fact is playing into the hands of this government to impose draconian measures onto the working classes. People are dying, kids are getting poorly educated and having no opportunities in life. But if you get your vote to leave the union thats all that matters. People are dying due to these measures irrespective of whether they are born in Scotland, Wales, England or Ireland. To ignore this fact, is irresponsible imho.

For what its worth I want you to have another vote; if you want to leave then so be it. A do however feel it would be economical disaster though for your great nation, but thats another story.

 

I like your well put and balanced reply Terry.
Here in Scotland we have a 3 way split Nationalist, Unionist and Socialist.
Now worryingly my ward Dundee East is split fairly even between those who live in private housing and those on social housing and those with jobs and those on benefits. But it is hugely pro SNP. Unfortunately lots of the SNP vote comes from Tories who vote SNP to keep Labour out. Now they might not need to bother as the Labour vote has collapsed and they might now return to the Tory fold. Also there is the crazy scenario of Labour Unionist voters voting Tory just to make sure the Nationalist is not returned but in doing so there might be a Tory MP returned.
Only yesterday in Aberdeen the Labour councilors joined forces with the Tories to oust the SNP from having over all power there. I know it is only local but the same thing could very well happen throughout Scotland at the GE.

 

Personally I think the way forward is not to destroy the United Kingdom as an entity because in so many ways it works. However having said that, why can't we have a situation whereby we have an English Parliament, Scottish Parliament, Welsh Parliament and a NI Parliament. Fully devolved powers in terms of decision making, but maintain the benefits of the UK in terms of tariff free trading, soft borders, shared infrastructure projects where needed such as effective transport links. That's where our union works superbly. I think we are stuck in the past with our outdated political setup. Would you agree with that Arabian Ian?

In stark comparison to my opposition to the EU setup where there is this burning desire for centralised control including handing control of budgets, law making and fiscal measures. All the things that nobody ever gave consent to when we joined the single market. I cannot begin to understand why Scotland want out of the UK because they want to be independent yet still want to push forward with the EU where their independence and sovereignty will be eventually completely abolished.

I would have no opposition to free trade and fair movement within parameters between us and the EU but not uncontrolled movement. But no political union, we are so far apart culturally, it will never work, especially with power hungry politicians in each European state,some left wing, right wing or centrist.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-taxation-winter-fuel-allowance-a7743311.html

Funny as **** whatever your politics

 

I normally can't stand articles like that (no matter which side it is biased towards) and think they have no place in a newspaper but that is very funny.