THE RED WALL

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  1. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

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    Gimson&theBarnsleys, Oct 20, 2023
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    A decent majority of Labour members want it and they voted for it at the 2022 conference so it's a Labour policy. It might not make the manifesto this time but might make it for the GE after. I think Labour members have at last accepted that they need PR to keep the Tories out. The electoral arithmetic says that under PR the Tories will always struggle to get back in.

    https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/labour-party-conference-backs-proportional-representation/
     
    Brush, Oct 20, 2023
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    Not only will the Tories always struggle under PR, but FPTP always favours the Tories.
     
    Scoff, Oct 20, 2023
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    Unless I miss remember it’s been wanted by members since the mid 90s. Blair informally agreed it in 1997 then rowed back. I’d be very surprised if a majority Lab Govt ever changed it
     
    Jimmy viz, Oct 20, 2023
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    Aye, years and years of gerrymandering.
     
    Brush, Oct 20, 2023
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    If you read the linked article, you see that this was the first time a majority of the party voted for PR. In 1997, a majority voted against electoral reform making it easy for Blair to backtrack.
     
    Brush, Oct 20, 2023
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    We need the AV system.

    Larger constituencies, returning a bnuch of MPs. Depending what your gripe is, you try that MP first. It would pretty much guarantee the Tories would never get in, which is a bonus.
     
    John Peachy, Oct 20, 2023
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    Don't think I'm arguing against it Brush.. I'm not, but after having had FPTP for such a long time, such a fundamental change to our democracy in my view really should go to referendum as it did in 2011.. I agree about the Mayor's BTW, but tbf there are only a couple of dozen and it's a new system, rather than one that's been around since time began.
     
    sadbrewer, Oct 20, 2023
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  9. pompey_red

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    Cruella. Safe as houses down here and a ring wing lunatic… they haven’t gone far enough yet to hit peak lunacy
     
    pompey_red, Oct 20, 2023
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    They aren’t, they really aren’t. Populist opinion would have you believe that but there’s some very capable people in there
     
    pompey_red, Oct 20, 2023
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    No I read the article just don’t think it’s 100 % correct. I was working for Lab in 1997 and now it’s described here is what I remember.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Campaign_for_Electoral_Reform
     
    Jimmy viz, Oct 20, 2023
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    It doesn't say that there was a majority vote prior to the 1997 GE. I too was a Labour member back then and my memory is that there was no majority vote so Blair used that to go back on the manifesto promise. 2022 was the first time a majority of members (including union block votes) supported PR.
     
    Brush, Oct 20, 2023
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