There HAS to be a general election called immediately

The European vote was campaigned extremely poorly by both sides. Generally A bunch of wealthy middle age white guys seeing who could best tap into the fears and insecurities of the electorate.

 

Don't forget one side have openly admitted they were lying

 

There you go. You posted summat about a decent discussion on here. Which is debatable (for me and this lot).

Then you go on to indicate, as many have, that there's an excuse for why the country voted in a way that they did.

We've always had wealthy middle age white guys advising the electorate.

If you think that something went wrong, because you didn't get the result that you wanted, then you're wrong.

Respect the people.

And that is coming from a fat middle aged white guy.

Without that much wealth

 

Then to the Tower with them and off with their heads.

 

The first id have would be Cameron, calling this referendum was almost treason

And then farage

I'm afraid sykes is am enemy of his hometown too

 

I've never made any indication which way I voted- I merely made an observation on how I perceived the campaigns of both sides to have been run.

I'm absolutely certain that a massive number of people voted based on a knowledgeable understanding of the key issues. However, the campaigns I watched and read were inflammatory and based on scaremongering.

I don't see it as an excuse for anyone. Merely a disappointed observation on both sides.

Respect is a two way Street. A mon avis.

 

Did you know that Nicola put it to Cameron that the EU vote should have been 4 different elections. She wanted all home countries to vote independently and only if all 4 countries returned a leave vote then and only then should the UK leave.
But Cameron being as pompous and "pig" headed as usual refuted that idea.

Ah well who's sorry now?

 

I'm hoping Nicola will rally the clans and invade us!!

 

Won't happen I'm afraid as we are a peace loving nation. But you can have your Trident subs back anytime you like. OH BTW there is a hefty 50billion pound price tag attached.

 

My daughter is getting married in two weeks civil ceremony. She is marrying her, fiance who is a man. Marriage is not a religious ceremony unless in Church.

 

Not us

 

Nonsense, all we need is a new hero. Something between Bonnie Prince Charlie and Begby from Trainspotting.

 

Thanks! That is that one cleared up.

 

He's been completely Reckless

 

Do you just guess at where punctuation should go, and then say '**** it' and walk away?

 

No just fat thumbs

 

Super Tyke: Comedy gold. You must be laughing your tits off at how many you've reeled in on this thread.

Arabian Ian: Great respect mate, and I love your posts, but it seems to me that Theresa M totally outsmarted Wee Jimmy by going to see her in Edinburgh. 'No Brexit negotiations till we have a position that works for the whole of the UK'? Where has Nichola to go after that?

 

Let me tell you something mate - if I was Scottish I would absolutely want to leave the union. Your political ideals (which I applaud by the way) and in stark contrast to a great deal of what is spoken for, read about, and generally supported by the English and Welsh electorate. You have a reasonable economy. You have a national identity. You have a desire to take part in a larger and more significant economic union which are you being dragged out of by - in the majority - English voters (even if I wasn't one of them). If I was Scottish I would be livid.

When the Inde Referendum was held you effectively gave us the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you can have any doubt now.

I don't think that this has anything to do with any blue face painted Braveheart ******** either - I simply think that the United Kingdom has lost it's way, a great many voters from (little) England and Wales particularly have lost their minds, and I genuinely wouldn't see you getting dragged down with this ship if I could cut you adrift and save you from it.

Let's be absolutely right - there really isn't much that matters inside of the Westminster system that lives beyond the M25. Maybe the home counties. The 'Northern Powerhouse' was a shambolic fraud, and HS2 isn't going to ship people out of London to Birmingham and Manchester - it's going to strengthen London and bring more people to the capital city. If you could get an honest word out of a Tory cabinet minister - and you asked them about the importance of Leeds, Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham, Norwich, Newcastle, Bristol and so on - they'd tell you that they couldn't give a **** (unless their personal constituency was in such an area - but even then, deep down, they don't give a ****). If they can't give a **** about that - imagine how they feel about Glasgow or Edinburgh. Moreover, how they feel about towns like Barnsley.

I've said it before - and I'll say it again - I'd rather be ruled in England from Edinburgh, personally. It might just shift the political focus of where the primary concerns are. The last time I was in London (which was quite recently actually) I was staggered by the embarrassment of facilities, venues, attractions, investment projects etc. Is that what we need? More and more London? Less European cooperation and involvement - and more and more London?

If I was Scottish I'd be absolutely SNP. I'd be absolutely voting for Nicola Sturgeon. She is one of the few politicians in the UK that has got her **** together, and has been talking about looking after her responsibilities, and not just talking about herself or her party.

Best of luck mate - I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

 

It was borderline viable at the time of the last independence referndum, and oil revenues and other economic movements have further called into question the viability of Scotland as an independent state. That's a scary outlook for a small country when you consider how the EU dealt with Greece. Don't get me wrong, I've no axe to grind either way and I voted for remain personally, but I can't objectively see how independence could be in Scotland's interests at this stage in the game. But then I couldn't see how Brexit could be in the UK's interest as a whole - so what do I know?

 

My ward voted overwhelmingly (70%+) to stay in. Can we have independence too?