Well thanks for the damnation! Appreciated. I actually subscribe to SS for the cricket, not the football. There's no option to have one without the other, anyway I digress. I know we live in a 'blame game' culture and it's the way of the world these days but sometimes it's the easy way out instead of looking at the real facts. In my original post I mentioned my local pub mates. All in their early mid late 40's. 'Followed' their teams since school which was way before Sky was even a twinkle in Murdochs eye, so I fail to see how that follows?!? A lot of people will choose the easy glory hunting path, it's part of human nature. Although so is loyalty. My son is 10, had SS at his disposal since birth. Is he a Red? Yes he is.......... I blame Sky..... Nuff said!