There'll be plenty of threds demanding LJ goes

Too many on here would still go regardless blindly hoping for the second coming!!

Its not a bad idea though

 

1 loss in 4
2 wins in 13

Money it would cost to get rid
Money we would lose by being relegated again.

we are in the JPT Area Final.
who gives a flying ****. That will be zero consolation for me when we are relegated.

cant legislate for **** ups like their second goal.
agreed, but lost the game by 2 so would have lost it anyway. After another toothless home display.

signed Hammil
he practically begged us for a contract

Sacking managers hasn't worked in the past.
No, hiring the wrong managers hasn't worked in the past

 

I heard two lads saying they were going to watch Emely in future, cost less as well they said

 

He didn't create the buy promising young players and develop them , sell them on for a profit strategy.
He did buy into it.
But he is a very young inexperienced manager.
I actually like that strategy but it has to be tempered with experience.

So we tried it and it hasn't worked.

Im sure in the next two transfer windows he and the board will start to put it right.

Ive made lots of bad decisions at work but learnt from them and not made the same one again.

 

You lose we fourth from bottom.
Boo

 

Why the hell should I stop going?

 

Its your right Mr Marlon!

Free country and all that.

But there will only be a little elite band of you

 

That's entirely up to them, don't give a **** what others do tbh but I have supported Barnsley fc in some very dark days in sixties and seventies,through the miners strike and the bucket collections during administration so I'm gonna be fecked if I am criticised for going to games cos somebody wants a manager sacked.

 

Yep, that's pretty similar to what I said...

 

On the evidence I've seen he has learnt nothing from the multitude of errors he continually makes. Wrong formations, tactics, team selections, never ever acknowledged. He thinks he's doing well, I'm sure. He's never accepted any blame for any performance, and generally makes out we've played ok when we haven't. Eg today, apparently we deserved a point. Jesus ******* Christ. We were lucky to get none.

And as for being sure he'll start to get it right - why? Based on what? I don't. We need a proper rudder to steer this ship, a bit of backbone, on the field and off it. So yes we need probably some experience in central midfield and defence - but we need a gaffer with some bloody balls too. Someone who will bollock them when they need it but have the ability to admit if he has done something wrong. I don't give a ***** who it is, give it to Bobby, bring someone in with lower league experience, give it to any sod but this clueless gutless imposter of a football coach

 

The people who will sack him are far more culpable for the position we'er in than the man himself. I really struggle to understand why people don't get that.

 

Whilst that is definitely true if we take a long term view of things, is that enough of a reason in itself to keep Johnson?

 

Right I'll say it because a lot of people say this.

Not one single sacked manager has subsequently seen us lose games (apart from when they have beaten us). Sacking a manager has not seen us play badly.

Instead poor appointments have been a problem. Chicken and egg isn't it. Do we sack a lot because we appoint bad managers? Or do we appoint bad managers because we sack a lot?

 

No. But I don't believe our fortunes rest with the man we bestow with the honour of being our head coach. Hill failed, Flitcroft failed, Wilson failed, Johnson is failing. Why do we think the next one will be a success? The last manager who didn't fail we gave 12 months notice and made his position untenable. I don't believe spending the money required to change the head coach is a sensible option as I don't think it will make any difference.

You'll read plenty of opinions about how Johnson uses the wrong tactics, formations and team selections. People wanted 4-4-2. They've got 4-4-2. We still lost. Did you read any complaints about the team selection before the game?

You'll have read numerous times that Winnall will get us 20+ goals a season when played in a two up front. That's where he was played yesterday and it's a long time since I've seen such a poor performance from a Barnsley striker. He was presented with the chances to score and he fluffed them.

The goal posts are then moved and the fault becomes that he used his subs too late (we conceded the second goal after the substitutions) or that he is unable to motivate the players (the same players appeared to be well motivated for the games at Wigan and Colchester and, despite playing very poorly, at home to Sheff Utd as they continued the search for an equalising goal in to injury time).

I'm not absolving Johnson of all responsibility, he has to take some, but the club have recently admitted, in their answers to questions posed by the supporter's trust, that many of the responsibilities we have traditionally given to the Barnsley manager have been taken away from Lee Johnson. You can't take on those responsibilities and not shoulder some of the blame.

And the crux of the problem stems back to our recruitment policy in the summer, which cannot be rectified until January at the earliest (and maybe not even then). As I've been saying since before the season kicked off, the players just aren't ******* good enough. Many people won't have that, despite us now employing the formations and tactics that they demanded and us still losing, because it doesn't allow them to heap the sole blame on the manager. If you say our squad is capable of top six then clearly it's the manager's fault we're in the relegation zone. But it's just not true. We were destined for the position we're in before a ball was kicked and we'll continue to lose games and play poorly until the right players are signed, whoever we have as head coach.

At the Q&A at Athersley Rec Ben Mansford admitted that we failed to seal the deal on a number of experienced players we targeted in the summer. As such negotiations are no longer the remit of our head coach, I struggle to blame Lee Johnson for that.

 

A very good appraisal of the situation. Obviously I have to piece things together from the few games I attend, friends' and people one here's comments and internet highlights. I realise that the conditions that Johnson is working under are not ideal, but in my humble opinion he's still badly under-achieving with what he's got. I don't believe that there aren't other people out there who would do a muchbetter job with identical resources.

 

You may well be right. I'm just not yet convinced that is the case. We may spend money on sacking Johnson and hiring his replacement, that should be used in January to sign the experienced players we desperately need, and end up being relegated with a new head coach because the squad simply isn't good enough. I think the better option, and the one that is most likely to result in us playing League 1 football next season, is to use any money we may have to sign the experienced players we urgently require. I could well be wrong. We might stick with Johnson, sign some experienced players and still be relegated. It's only my opinion and I don't claim to know more than anyone else.

However, I do know it cost us about half a million to get rid of Flicker. I don't know how much it cost us to do the same to Wilson and Hill, maybe not that much, but I don't imagine it was cheap. I can't help but think if we'd spent that money on signing decent players instead of paying off managers, we'd be in a hell of a lot better position right now. With that in mind, I'm not desperate for us to go down the same route again. If we can find money to sack managers, we should be able to find it to sign decent players.

 

Very good post that Jay, sums up our situation well. However, I can't agree with this.

A big mistake was made in the summer with regard to solely signing young players. However there is no way, absolutely no way, that they're among the 4 worst sets of players in the division. We weren't destined to be 4th bottom at Christmas before a ball was kicked, we weren't destined to lose 8 in a row, we weren't destined to lose so spinelessly in so many games at Oakwell. This team should not be scrapping it out with Colchester, Crewe, Shrewsbury and Fleetwood, a team that beat the current top two in Burton and Gillingham. That to me suggests they're better than the bottom 4 , but for whatever reason aren't applying themselves. Lack of motivation? Poor coaching? Whatever it is, it ultimately falls at the manager's door.

Johnson is of course not the only problem, but he's a BIG part of the problem. Look at Donny, awful when we played them and now flying up the table having changed their manager. That suggests they had a half decent side who were being mismanaged. Peterborough were terrible until they brought in Westley who's overseen 6 wins in a row on their way to 6th at Christmas. Swindon have won 5 out of the last 6 following a change. Despite their awful form before changing their manager, they clearly don't have bad squads. I believe the same is true with us.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that purely changing manager again will work with us (because, ultimately, it never does), changes also need to be made higher up, but I do believe we've a team that are better than their current position suggests. Even if it turns out to be another short term fix, we need someone to get us out of our current predicament which is relegation to League 2. Heckingbottom/Burton might be that short term answer, giving us time to make damn sure we get the right man for the job for next season.

Ultimately though we're all wasting our breath. We all know there won't be a change this side of Easter. I'll continue going in hope rather than expectation, I can't say the same for others. Maybe then Cryne will see fit to do the right thing.

 

That's probably the strongest argument I've heard yet for not firing Johnson. And that of course is the ultimate nightmare, that we waste loads of money firing him and then go down anyway.

 

That's probably the strongest argument I've heard yet for not firing Johnson. And that of course is the ultimate nightmare, that we waste loads of money firing him and then go down anyway.