This Joyce Thacker woman Re the UKip/foster issue....

I can't for the life of me see what is irrational about posing the question as to whether members of an anti-immigration party are the best people to foster immigrants. That seems a completely rational question even if you disagree with it. As I've said several times now I don't necessarily agree with answer that the council have arrived at but i can see why its a valid question.

 

anybody know why these immigrant kids need fostering in the first place......whats happened to their parents?

 

OK 2 reasonswhey it is NOT . In the 1st place How did the council know since they cannot ask what party you belong to - you are not obliged to answer any such questions? Secondly, since the couple in question have a) several years, unblemished, fostering and b) have fostered these children knowing they were Eastern European immigrants it IS clearly irrelevant and should remain so.
I repeat POLITICAL persuasion should NOT be a consideration when fostering.

 

see my comment at 3:08 in response to ark104(v2) where I make a similar observation.

 

And you have some reliable statistical proof to back this up?

 

Re:OOPS should have been a response to dekparker...

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theres plenty of people sick of the way immigration has gone out of control,it certainly doesnt mean they wouldnt look after these kids any worse than someone who thinks all and sundry should be allowed into the country.

 

So what do you believe is the main reason parents cannot raise the children they brought into the world (given the welfare state we still (just) have)?

 

If only the authorities were as quick to react when young girls were being abused by gangs during the last decade rather than hiding behind racial sensitivities. Alas it would appear people in seats of power only seem to take swift action when the card are stacked in a certain way. The PC way. Sad that the children will now face more disruption one would imagine.

 

see the last para inmy comment at 3:08 in response to ark104(v2) where I make a similar observation.

 

Racism is not just about the colour of skin. It can also be about country of birth - so a white British person can racially abuse a white Irish person or vice versa.

 

Would you let Nazis foster Jewish children?
White Supremacists foster black children?
New Black Panther or Nation of Islam supporters foster white children?
A Tutsi family foster a Hutu?

Not saying what Rotherham council have done is necessarily right, but to claim there is no room for discussion on the issue or that political ideology should be completely ignored when it comes to fostering children is well wide of the mark in my humble opinion.

 

Bloody bog paddies.

 

theres a difference between these examples and ukip.......i'll bet the lab/lib/cons cant believe their luck that they've got people making simularities between ukip and the nazis and white supremacists.

 

Domestic abuse, sexual abuse, truancy, runaways, juvenile offender?..........Im not saying you're not right - im just wondering where you made such evidence for a statement of fact?

 

I'm not making comparisons. I'm saying that political ideology cannot be completely discounted in such issues.

I blame myself like, I should have known that's what I'd be accused of doing.

 

Those aren't reasons why it is an irrational question, just your reasons as to what you think the answer should be which I think are largely valid. Although I'm not sure i agree that the foster parents should necessarily be the ones to take the decision as to whether they can meet someone's cultural needs. That should be the view of someone objectively assessing the situation. In this case I agree that far too much subjectivity seems to have entered the process.

Honestly, read the thread from the other day. There were some really interesting and balanced posts about this.

 

Firstly, it is wrong to say that UKIP are anti-immigration. People should actually inspect their policies rather than relying on word of mouth (I am not accusing anyone here of doing so..). If they did, they would find that it is very much the same as Australia's policy, now how many of us would go around calling all Australians racist?

Secondly, this stigma of UKIP has been orchestrated by the main three parties, because they, and many voters, believe that they are the only parties with the right to stand for election. To them, other opinions clearly aren't valid.

Thirdly, I would have to ask questions of the authorities in Rotherham who knew for many years about the ring of abuse going on inside their town. Also, the newly elected police commissioner for South Yorkshire has questions to answer here.

Fourthly, and perhaps most crucially, the prejudices that are attached to people who have concerns regarding immigration has to stop, for the benefit of everyone. Whether you are pro-immigration of anti-immigration, the fact is there are many people who have a concern about immigration, and just like anything else, that concern should be listened to. It seems that if anyone dare mention the term 'immigration', they are immediately branded a racist. I would not like to take this opportunity to pin the blame on a particular administration for bringing this about, but I trust that my fellow countrymen are intelligent enough to work this out for themselves. It is a very dangerous thing for people to immediately shut debates down. If there is a concern regarding immigration, then it must be listened to, whether we like it or not. Surely, we would listen to concerns regarding other aspect of society?

Lastly, Joyce Thacker should, in my opinion, be sacked immediately. Heads must role for this. We live in a democracy. UKIP are a democratic party with many thousands of voters, who have been elected on numerous occasions to the European parliament. There is no justification whatsoever for her actions, and the actions of the council.

I don't particularly owe any allegiance to any particular party. But, even before the child sex abuse scandal in Rotherham and this episode with UKIP, how anyone can sit there and defend the Labour Party, particularly locally, is beyond me.

 

With respect Jay I think your post trivialises the fundamental issue at the centre of this outrage; how can you compare Nazis to members or any other group mentioned in your post to members of Ukip.

 

Good post PW, there were similar questions raised in another post I started on the same subject on Saturday. http://v2.barnsleyfc.org.uk/showthread.php?177940-Another-example-of-political-correctness-gone-mad