Titan Submersible

Eh?

 

What I don't understand, and what's a bit frustrating, is that it has now come to light that the communication system and the tracking system for the sub were completely separate things in completely different areas with the tracking system being a sealed unit. They lost them BOTH at the exact same time and the US navy heard a loud bang like an implosion at the exact same time too. All of this was known to the US navy, oceangate and the us coastguard within an hour of the sub going missing.

They knew that it had imploded, there was no other explanation for losing communication system and the separate tracking system at the same time and coupled with a loud underwater bang coming from the accident site it was clear that a catastrophic failure had occured.

So why have millions upon millions been spent searching? Why did the authorities and oceangate state multiple times that there was nothing to suggest the crew were dead? Why, when they knew where they'd heard the sound and knew the exact location of the last tracking at 3500 feet depth, information which the US navy said made it easy to narrow down the search area, why did they tell the public it was a search area of 26,000 square kilometers?

 

Heard a clip of an interview with the ceo talking about not wanting “white men in their 50s” working on the project as it wasn’t the right image, subsequently fired a 53 year old white engineer who’d pointed out some safety issues in 2018. But at least they hit their diversity targets I guess.

 

The more I read about this enterprise the more' Heath Robinson' it sounds, which considering its intent is absolutely ridiculous!

 

And that's not at all a political point!? Let's be right, the skin colour didn't cone into it, voicing concerns was the problem, rich men don't like being told the word no.

 

He did specifically say “white men in their 50s”, people who probably are harder to bully into keeping quiet

 

I think because although they heard the noise, they had no visual proof, and knew it would take several days to get a submersible on site that could provide the proof and in the meantime erred on the side of caution and conducted the search regardless using search methods that were from 'the book'.

 

Was it better to abandon the search because they heard a suspicious noise and later find the submarine whole and the people inside had suffocated? Or better to carry on searching in the hope until they found evidence of the failure?

 

Oceangate

Sounds pretty damning and understandably distancing them from the enterprise. Weren't there some highly experienced individuals on board though? It wasn't just a tourist dive

 

I think it was this bit that sealed his sacking ‘who’d pointed out some safety issues in 2018’ and the rest was the excuse.

 

But why was it not reported? Instead calculations of how much air they had left. Talk of banging noises being picked up, all seems very strange.

 

They definitely did the right thing until it was clear they had died. Can't help but feel we have all been taken for a ride given the lack of facts reported. Though most of us thought they had perished right from the off.

 

Even if they had found them trapped on the titanic wreck I imagine it would have been one hell of a job to get them back to surface from over 2 mile down.

 

It did have a window. One that was rated to about a 3rd of the depth required! That's reportedly the safety issue the guy was fired for bringing up in 2018.

 

It had a window. A window the size of a washing machine window which had a go pro in front of it too taking up some of the window and which was low down near the floor in the area designated for the toilet.

The CEO says that despite it not being rated for that depth the window is good because although it does deform when it dives it's made of acrylic which 'crackles' before it completely fails so at least you know it's going to...

He also said "i think it was General (Douglas) MacArthur who said: "You're remembered for the rules you break." And you know, I've broken some rules to make this."


On a test dive less than two weeks ago the sub developed a leak and yet they still went ahead with the dive.

Absolutely bonkers

 

I get that but it wasn't just the sound they heard. It was the sound they heard combined with the loss of communication at exactly the same time and the loss of tracking at exactly the same time too. Apparently the tracking is a completely separate system to the communications housed in a separate area and using different technologies. For all three to happen simultaneously is pretty much confirmation of catastrophic failure.

And yeah I get that until they have visual evidence of the deaths that they can't say 100% that they're dead but they can say 99.999% sure and don't we halt searches for people all the time without finding a body? For example a fireman went missing in the English channel on Tuesday, the search was called off on Wednesday. It's extremely unlikely but there is a tiny chance that he's grabbed hold of a piece of driftwood and is still alive but we called off the search.

Even odder about continuing the search is that it was a sub in international waters that set sail from Canada yet America is the ones who spent a week organising the search despite them being the ones who knew what they'd heard.

Not overly bothered but it has always bugged me a bit that more effort is put in to finding some people than it is finding others and I'd say that people who had broken multiple rules to conduct an unlicensed dive shouldn't really be at the top of the list despite their wealth. Especially when all the evidence they had said they'd already died in exactly the way that the regulation breaches suggested they would.

 

I understand not jumping to conclusions but the fact that everyone just sat on this information three full days is ridiculous. And for the US Navy to suddenly come out and be all like "Oh, yeah, we knew it was destroyed days ago."

 

A few issues there that are not really relevant to my post tbf.

It will all come out later I would think, perhaps you know more than me but The Guardian reported a US Navy source as saying ''The Navy went back and analyzed its acoustic data after the Titan submersible was reported missing Sunday. That anomaly was ‘consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,’

That is after the event by a minimum of 8 hours, because the Company didn't report the event immediately. There is no suggestion in anything I've read that the US Navy were or could monitor the communications between Titan and the mother ship,simply that they have (accurately) tied at a later time their acoustic implosion detection to the loss of communications later reported by the company. As to loss of tracking, again perhaps you have read differently but I haven't seen anything that suggests the dive was being tracked.

 

It was being tracked by oceangate themselves who lost communication and tracking at the exact same moment which came shortly after receiving communication from the sub that there was a problem and that they were attempting to drop ballast and ascend. This time matched perfectly with the time that the US navy heard what they believe was an implosion. So while the navy weren't actively tracking it, as soon as oceangate owned up to what had happened they matched up what they'd heard with the time that oceangate had lost communication and tracking and realised it was the same time.

Not sure exactly who the 'expert' that I heard that from was but he was someone who the video identified as an expert and a lot of what he said matched up to what others have said like James Cameron for example who seemed to know a lot of details