TJ Lane. Disgraceful what happened in court

condoms ?

 

and because he was 17 when he committed the awful murders,hes not allowed to be given the death penalty.

so hard working people will after look after him for the next 70 years, lovely.

although saying that im hoping he gets done over in prison

 

Whilst I am categorically against the death penalty under any circumstances, there are those who if they were to get it, it would be pretty hard to feel that they didn't deserve it. Having said that, I reckon it would be a doddle compared with life without parole. I don't think tpo many tears would be shed if someone were to get hold of him in jail and give him what for

 

A lot of you very keen on capital punishment here I see. Pathetic.

I'll wager you're the same people who go on about "Sharia law taking over the UK", perhaps you should be lobbying for it if you want capital punishment.

 

Also in case anyone didn't know, it costs more to put someone to death than keep them alive in prison.

 

There is a world of difference between capital punishment and Sharia Law especially as the last time I looked the USA was still a secular country.

 

Sounds like he's mentally unstable to me. An ill kid.

 

I agree with you about capital punishment, but you're gonna have to explain that to me...

 

a USA juvenile court judge had all that checked out and he was deemed fit for a proper trial,although it was reported that he has hallucinations,phsycosis and fantasies.

 

Not arguing mate but how does it cost more to put someone to death than to keep them alive in prison?
I am having difficulty understanding that one !

 

madmark just looked and dusthanoIII IS CORRECT
heres the text i found about it,

Without any doubt, capital punishment is much more expensive. And it has very little to do with the cost of the actual execution.

It has to do with the legal costs of the process, which is supposed to prevent executions of innocent people.
The largest part of the costs are upfront, at the pre trial and trial stages, and they are in play whether or not there is a conviction, let alone a death sentence. Study after study confirms this. Here is part of one report that explains it well:

“The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).” (Kansas: Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred for Death Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections)

Some of the factors:
• more pre-trial time will be needed to prepare: cases typically take a year to come to trial
• more pre-trial motions will be filed and answered
• more experts will be hired
• twice as many attorneys will be appointed for the defense, and a comparable team for the prosecution
• jurors will have to be individually quizzed on their views about the death penalty, and they are more likely to be sequestered
• two trials instead of one will be conducted: one for guilt and one for punishment
• the trial will be longer: a cost study at Duke University estimated that death penalty trials take 3 to 5 times longer than typical murder trials

Specific cases (California.)
People v. Scott Peterson, Death Penalty Trial
$3.2 Million Total
People v. Rex Allen Krebs Death Penalty Trial
$2.8 Million Total
People v. Cary Stayner, Death Penalty Trial
$2.368 Million Total
People v. Robert Wigley, Non-Death Penalty Trial
$454,000 Total
ADMITTADLY THESE FIGURES ARE OVER 3 YEARS OLD but i guess are still around the same

 

So it is not the Death Penalty that costs more just the parasitic lawyers get more wonga !!

I dont understand why there has to be 2 trials either ?

 

correct is not the actual injection,gas or whatever its the fact they have to be tried again and again

its so there cant be any miscarriage of justice,plus the criminal can just keep appealing the penalty too.

in a case like this i dont understand why but that is the rules, its obvious he did the crime.

on a side note do you personally think the UK Should reintroduce the death penalty or not. thats a question to everyone.

 

It is a theory Mark, but it depends on the case. That kid is clearly emotionally disturbed to an extreme degree and his case will face multiple of appeals while he spends years on death row in a highest security section of a maximum security institution. The American penal system is such a money making industry the government pays through the nose to keep it's citizens safe. A life sentence, which many receive for relatively trivial crimes such as drug possession, may possibly be cheaper than endless appeals and petitioning before they finally flick the switch.


Sounds mental, but it is America.

 

MR C He cant go on death row because he was only 17 when he committed the murders.

 

Not true, you can only be tried once for the same crime. Only if the case ends in mistrial, can it begin again under the same premise.

Then the appeal process starts which can drag on for years. Even then you don't just appeal, you have to appeal for the right to appeal and that has to be heard and approved to see if there exist grounds. It also has to be determined what to appeal against, the verdict or the penalty.

 

I wasn't sure if he was facing the death penalty, meant more generally his kind of mental state being used as grounds for appeal.

 

Google it for yourself but basically because so many professionals need to be hired and trials so thorough and drawn out it.
To quote

"Texas, with over 300 people on death row, is spending an estimated $2.3 million per case, but its murder rate remains one of the highest in the country."

$2.3 million PER CASE and still the highest rate in the country.

Some other points I'd raise is yes its all well and good saying yes this little **** clearly did it and "put him to death" but once theres a precedent of someone being put to death more will be tried in the same way and it is an inevitability someone innocent would be put to death eventually. I wouldn't want to live in a country nor society where that is a possibility.


"In 2007 New Jersey banned executions because of money. The state spent about 4 million dollars for every death sentence."

I'm quite sure that money would be better spent on more important things than a medieval punishment.

 

Once you've reintroduced it for 1 person it sets a precedent and more people will get the same punishment, someone at some point will turn out to be innocent and I will not abide even 1 innocent person dying just because of your neanderthalic lust for blood. Imagine if it was your own family member falsely accused!