TUC March 20th October in London & Glasgow

What a load of garbage. Britain has had a debt going back longer than living memory. Also. I'm teh last person to subscribe to that kind of attitude.

If Thatcher had not relinqushed control of state assests and banks then it would never have happened in the first place.

Just what kind of Britain are we leaving behind anyway?

If we invested in jobs and growth the deficit would be reduced as a consequence of this. Instead what we are doing is following Freidmanist ideas direct from Latin America in the 70's. It didn't work there either.

 

Sure I remember brown stating Britain was now debt free about 10 years ago?Or was that a reference to finally paying the yanks off for a few subs and tanks in wwII?

It's good playing the what if game isn't it?

What if the government had not become benefits friendly meaning your better off on th giro than working for a basic age?

What if lending was monitored properly within the UK then people wouldn't be in half the pickle they are.

What if what if what if.

 

Re: "a non union person (not by choice)"???

ok then i'll put it another way for you, I didn't want to be the favourite for the next line of redundancies which going by supposedly fair training matrixes they always seem to be able to get their man.

 

Yes what if this Govt put as much energy and resources into chasing uncollected, evaded and avoided tax as they did chasing everything else? What if this Govt reduced VAT back to what it was? Why isn't this Govt shouting out loud in parliament at the petrol prices like they did when it was in opposition?
What if this Govt now decided not to ignore the IMF when it previously used it to support their Austerity policy?
What if we all just rolled over and let this lot continue with demolition of the Welfare state , the NHS, etc. etc. Then when the top 10% are well and truly in control we could say who'd a thought it.

 

what if we had a fair pay policy with an agreed pay difference with top and bottom of chain.

 

What if ... What if...

That's all they are. You can't predict successfully that a VAT cut or actually Osborne not being a utter spineless **** etc would have made any difference.

And as for the mess that is the welfare state.... I had (fortunately I've moved depts) the Oppourtunity to deal with members of the benefits brigade. Its a ****ing joke.

No one in this country who works full time should be in a worse financial situation than someone on the dole.

How about.... Would things have improved under a continued labour government?

 

most workers are worse of because of the disgracefull low wages being paid to the bottom few whilst company's are raking in vast amounts. and sharing on the top table.

 

So what would be say a realistic wage for working 40 hours behind a bar in your eyes....

 

one you could live on

 

Expand it a bit. 200, 300, 400 a week?

 

how long's a piece of string? couldn't pay somebody that works in a bar thats raking it in to another thats struggling.
but if the available money is spread out fairly then thats ok, instead of the top table taking their wad chose what then throwing the rest a chip

 

A living wage

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/

 

Ah right so it's case of wanting everyone to have the same pay? So bar worker should get paid the s are as the bar owner taking all the financial risk?

 

eh? your making your own debate up now. si thi

 

Many have been thrown on the dole through no fault of their own and thanks to this Govt. for pandering to the Tory right wingers its getting easier and easier to throw people out of work for little or even no reason to do so. I have been involved with processing various benefits for the last 10 years so I have a pretty good idea of what its like, and it certainly isn't a one size fits all like you seem to think "Beneifts Brigade" you sound more like a Tory apologist everytime you post. Harping on about the last labour Govt. One things for sure , a continued labour govt couldn't possibly have been any worse than this lot. Returning VAT to the previous level has the potential to stimulate growth.
See you mention benefits again but not a mention of the tax dodgers, legal or otherwise who cost the Treasury far far more than the so-called benefit scroungers. Seems like Morals are ok when it suits.

Why isn't Osbourne spouting on about the IMF now?
The Welfare state is not a mess but it will be if more and more of its services are privatised (yes I know shamefully it happened under Labour) but this lot are taking to a another level. This Govt is using Austerity to push through their Political agenda, its nothing to do with what's best for the economy and what's best for Britain. More and more organisations are seeing through this and hopefully soon the general public will say enough is enough.

 

Re: "a non union person (not by choice)"???

It's a fair point. In my experience the redundancy rules are pretty easy for an employer to manipulate to suit their own purposes. But in general I would still urge people to consider that they can still join a union in a non-unionised workplace - I did for many years.

 

Re: "a non union person (not by choice)"???

I persuaded my wife to join a union many years ago, she worked for a very anti union firm, we explained the situation to the union and they agreed not to make any contact with the firm unless requested by my wife. This worked perfectly well, we asked for advice on a couple of occasions, which was freely given and her managers were quite shocked at her knowledge, they became quite wary of her after that and she never had any problems. It never came to it but I would have liked to see their reaction if she had walked into a meeting with her union rep. So, if you are not in a union and you want to be, there are ways round it, get joined up, even if it's only for legal advice and remember, if you have an accident at work they will fight for compensation.

 

Strange the rot started in 2009/10 did it not?

The welfare state is a mess and I don't just mean giro warriors.

I touched on the tax dodging with osbournes bottle. The deal for vodafarce to pay up was all but signed until he vetoed it.

Vat increase seems not to have stopped folk spending.

And austerity begins at home.

But I'm a secret Tory sympathiser so kill the poor.