Tv - Police Under Pressure - on SYP in Sheff

Here's the information from a couple of academic sources which are non partisan and fairly authoritative. They link crime not to ethnicity.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/257233/lse-consulting.pdf

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....ion-and-crime-evidence-uk-and-other-countries

Most non political organisation that have looked into the impact of immigration make similar conclusions. That proportionally the level of crime within non indigenous and indigenous communities is pretty much the same but non indigenous people are more likely to go to prison for those crimes.

I am no defender of the Muslim religion I dislike the way it subjugates women in particular. But referring to any group of people as "they" I. The context that Gloria did is offensive and there's no place for it.

Again I agree with you about immigration and crime. If someone we have taken into this country cannot live by it's laws then there continuing presence may not be the right thing. As an investigator I interviewed people who had been here 20+ years and didn't speak any English. It wound me up every time and isn't right. Those we take in should have to contribute to the system before they take out of it for a Minimum period I think that Is fair and just. They shouldn't be allowed to exploit us.

What isn't helpful is stigmatising and judging people on the place they live or their ethnicity and religion.


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you shouldn't stigmatise whole races because of acts from some of their people,however neither should people ignore what they are doing.Immigration has been a shamble,they've allowed all and sundry in,mostly with no record of who and what they are.Different ethnic races are now causing unrest amongst themselves,its ridiculous.Those who are unemployed and hanging about the place should be sent back to their country of origin,it wouldn't be bad if we'd just allowed essential skills in like doctors and nurses.maybe engineers etc,but the government have allowed some right scumbags in and its coming back to haunt them.
like you say a minimum period should be in place before they can claim benefits,not 3 months but say 5 years or something.They are queing up at the French ports to get here and many are after everything they can get their hands on.Net migration has over stretched all our public services,people who have never contributed a penny are taking from the system,the pension age has been raised for one,this isn't because they are looking after us and stoping ageism,people taking from the system without contributing is a factor.I know many in ex industrial areas cant find work but adding to the problem with immigrants is just making it worse.
If we'd have followed example like australias,where criteria has to be met before they are allowed in, I don't think we'd have been in half the mess we are in now,why on earth do we need people that cant support themselves?

 

Maybe benefits should be paid at the rate of their country of origin until an immigrant has been in employment (and paid NI/taxes) for a period of time (1 year) and they lose all benefits after 1 year if they are unable to communicate in English (although to offset that we should provide English language tuition for that year).

 

You're going to round up your Muslim mates to beat me up?

You're not in the UAF are you, that's one of their tricks.

Still at least you've shown your true character.

 

Actually I think he said you wouldn't repeat your accusations face to to face with some of the ethnic minorities you are denigrating but if you you wanted to he could facilitate a meeting

 

'see how brave you are then',sounds more like a threat than a discussion being offered.If A ukip supporter has come out with that it would certainly have been took to be a threat

 

No I said that I think you don't have the courage of your convictions and if you do then I can arrange a meeting with some people that you can denigrate based on their religion directly to them. A chat is a chat. It's about not saying anything on here you wouldn't say to someone's face. I was thinking of a meeting in a coffee shop not popping round your house though I know you live in deranged paranoid fantasy world.


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Again I point you to independent non partisan reports that show no evidence for any of this. The Australian system involves them having what are in effect detention camps in East Timor but is not too bad a system other than that.


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There's nothing I would ever say on here that I wouldn't say directly to someone and I would hope most people are the same. If a gang of UKIPers said to me come darn tarn and say that to my face. I just would. What's the problem? If you are brave enough to make overtly racist statements then you should be brave enough to say that directly to someone. Should you not?


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Where did I mention religion exactly?

The Roma are Catholics, the people on the documentary threatening to attack them were Muslims like your mates, you really haven't got a clue.

 

What is your direct experience of the areas you are talking about? Not 2nd hand. Not half truths actual first hand experience? Like I said I investigated benefit fraud, which involved visiting properties round there, conducting surveillance and interviewing people from that community. Though it had to be said most benefit fraud is committed by white indigenous people it does give you a greater insight than some documentary maker with an agenda.

I have a couple of Muslim friends both lawyers and I suspect neither one was threatening anyone but that doesn't fit in with your cosy stereotype. I also have a couple of Roma friends. One is an interpreter and one a doctor on the NHS you despise so much. But again that doesn't fit in with your stereotype.

Every word you write about immigrants drips with bile and I make allowances for someone who is clearly a little unhinged. However when this spills out into overtly racist attacks that are potentially reportable under the law that is different and cannot go unchallenged.




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can someone tell me what channel this programme was on,i'd to watch it to work out what this hidden agenda is.It sounds very much like what was being reported in the papers(including the Sheffield star) a few months ago,surely they havnt all got hidden agendas.

 

BBC2, should still be on iPlayer, second part is on next Monday at 9pm.

 

Most benefit fraud is committed by white indigenous people well that's hardly a surprise is it when that group makes up 81% of the population of England and Wales.

Looking at the last time the government published crimes by race, from 2007, of those arrested in England and Wales:

Fraud and forgery:

White 65.4% (population 81.46%)
Black 19.1% (population 3.3%)
Asian (excluding Chinese) 10.4% (population 5.32%)

So while you are correct in saying white people commit most of the total fraud offences, proportionally they commit less whereas black and Asian people commit more.

To sum up, you're being misleading.

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/jul/uk-s-and-s-stats-race-criminal-justice.pdf

 

I think I asked you about your own direct experiences not half truths. I refer you to the Machin and Bell report I posted earlier. Probably the foremost academics on the subject who again found no link between immigration and crime or any predisposition towards crime just links between poverty and crime. Backs up pretty much all independent non partisan research on the subject.

To sum up I spent 8 years dealing directly with benefit fraudsters so can speak with some authority about the people who were defrauding the system. They fell into two man groups the over 60s hiding capital and young predominantly white woman failing yo declare a chap living with them. In the last year people from a non white background made up 8% of my cases.

In terms of crime statistics pretty much any rigorous academic look at those figures comments on the fact that people from minorities are no more or less likely to commit crime than anyone else but are more likely to be prosecuted.


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All reporters have an agenda or angle it's why they push the story in the first place from the Daily Mail to the Socialist Worker all points in between. You can if you can be arsed dig up reporting from the 50s and 70s of a similar nature regarding black or Asian people it's not hard.


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Doesn't that depend on where you work though because I know an Insurance Fraud Investigator who worked in Dewsbury and almost everyone he investigated was Asian, plus as the Ministry of Justice figures above show, Asians commit double the amount of fraud they should do per population, and blacks 6 times as much.

Yet you claim white people commit the most fraud which is totally wrong.

 

just watched it on iplayer,really makes you wonder where this country is heading and I'm not just on about immigrants.However what on earth are we doing letting 700 Slovak roma families into the country over the last couple of years,what have they brought to this country other than seemingly unrest to page hall,why do we need these people?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04863bl/police-under-pressure-1-uneasy-peace

for those who havnt seen it heres the link.

 

We can't stop them moving here since any citizen of the EU is allowed to live here, that's one of the reasons UKIP want to leave the EU, to regain control over our borders.