Tv - Police Under Pressure - on SYP in Sheff

If your trying to push an argument that ethnic minorities are more likely to commit crime afraid you're barking up the wrong tree with the stats you've posted.

It may be that the effect is explainable by other factors (lower income, distance from labour market etc. Etc. Etc.) which might be correlated with being in an ethnic group. Your evidence doesn't allow you to say that ethnic minorities have higher crime rates - all other things being equal.

Anyway you could go round in circles trying to pin this down and not succeed. And it's not really worth it. But safe to say, you too are being misleading in your evidence.

 

http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-busting-real-figures-benefit-fraud

Just to quote one part
"less than 1% of the overall benefits and tax credits expenditure and less than benefits underpaid and overpaid due to error."

Also, immigrants are less likely to claim benefits than the indiginous population and contribute more in taxes than they take out in benefits.

 

Gloria is never one to let the facts get in the way. There is a clear link between poverty and crime owt else is just fitting the information to your prejudices.


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I thought we were talking specifically about Sheffield as per the OP but of course it does matter where you live. There is a clear link between poverty and crime. And poverty tends to congregate in certain areas.


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No you're just making excuses.

Looks that the last figures released were a revision of the above from 2007 so make your own mind up:

England & Wales White Black Asian Other Unknown Total
Violence Against Person 79.5 9.1 5.8 1.6 4.0 52,334
Sexual Offences 82.1 5.0 5.3 2.1 5.4 1,966
Burglary 87.6 3.9 2.6 0.6 5.3 6,972
Robbery 52.4 33.2 10.6 1.5 2.3 614
Theft and Handling 81.3 6.8 4.7 1.9 5.3 72,790
Fraud and Forgery 70.4 11.5 8.9 3.6 5.6 8,587
Criminal Damage 87.8 3.4 1.9 0.9 5.9 8,813
Drug Offences 80.4 8.9 5.6 1.2 3.9 43,049
Other Indict (Not Mtg) 79.8 6.4 5.8 4.1 3.9 9,902
Summary Non-Motoring 85.3 4.6 3.7 1.0 5.4 145,465
All Offences 82.5 6.5 4.6 1.4 5.0 350,492

http://www.stamp-it-out.co.uk/docs/stats_race_criminal_justice_system_0708.pdf

The most startling figure is that black people make up 3.3% of the population but commit 33.2% of robberies, 10 times what it should be and probably the reason these figures were never compiled again.

 

Sheffields a toilet, a fair bit of it are no go areas for whites. However, to claim that the immigrant population within the city are responsible for the crime is a bit foolish.

 

You didn't in any way address my point. I'll try and walk it through in simple language for you:

1. Do you think there may be a link between low income and committing crime?

2. Do you think people in ethnic minorities might be more likely to be on low income?

3. If the answer to the above 2 is yes then as really you still confident that all of the differences between ethnic groups is caused by their ethnicity. Is there a chance it's their income?

4. Repeat steps 1-3 for any other factor you think is linked with crime.

5. Once youve done this let me know whether you are still happy with your original statement.

Listen, I'm not averse to agreeing with you if you present some evidence that actually stands up. But posting really basic correlations like the above doesnt really help your cause.

Happy for you to think this through and try again with some better evidence.

 

You want better evidence than official Ministry of Justice figures?

Come on.

Of course there is some correlation between poverty and crime but that hardly explains everything, there are plenty of poor countries with very little crime.

West Virginia is the second-poorest state in the USA but has one of the lowest crime rates, it also has one of the lowest ethnic minority populations in the USA.

 

I'm definitely not questioning the MoJ stats...just their interpretation. I can't point to legitimate ons stats on construction output to prove the moon is made of cheese..just like you can't use these stats to prove your original point.

Interesting you are now admitting poverty plays a part in the correlation. Did you manage to think of any other factors while your were thinking? I can think of a few. And how big a part do these factors play? Do you know? "Hardly explains everything" isnt really the robust evidence I needed in order to change my mind.

One final point - trying to disprove a problem with UK correlation evidence by citing more correlation evidence...from another country, isn't a particularly strong approach.

Again, keep going though. You might get there eventually.

 

definitely with you on on poverty and crime,they basically go hand in hand,but without sounding like I've got it in for all immigrants because I havnt,surely its about time we only started allowing essential skills in or literally where they are self sufficient,ie no tax credits etc that way we go some way to ensuring that migrants are in better paid jobs which benefit us as a country.You watch that programme where they say 700 roma families have come over a couple of years,i'd bet a pound to a penny that the majority of them are low paid or even unemployed,i honestly cant see how as a country we benefit from them being here.
I'd definitely go along the lines Australia does,they would have to have a job already waiting for them and of a criteria where they are bringing something worthwhile to this place,not pizza delivering or picking broccoli.

 

Also classed as Americas most racist state whose Ex-Senator Robert Byrd used to be involved high up in the Ku Klux Klan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062801241.html

They also have quite a following here where they keep the peace their way

http://gawker.com/ku-klux-klan-launches-neighborhood-watch-24-hour-klan-1565658696

Perhaps they are the organisation for you,them being a God loving Non-Hate group........read their official site to see how many things these Non-Haters hate

http://www.kkkknights.com/

 

The film seems to illustrate that the current government cuts have left the police, schools, health service, etc totally underfunded.

It also shows that other races are capable of being racist as well as the "white, british"

One of the guys who works for me lives in Pitsmore, that is next door to those estates. It is like the projects there, but blaming the last group of immigrants
to arrive is rubbish, but is something that has happened over history. I blame the Vikings myself. Despicable race the vikings...

 

To me it's very simple, some races are more likely to commit crimes than others and all the statistics bear this out.

In this country Chinese and Indian people are less likely to commit crimes than White British people but black and Pakistani people are more likely.

This doesn't mean that everyone black is a criminal or everyone Chinese a saint.

 

Lets stay in this country then, Cornwall, again one of the poorest counties, again with one of the lowest crime rates, again with one of the lowest numbers of minorities.

 

Amusing that when I went there 2 months ago it also had the most UKIP signs per square inch...

 

That's your problem in a nutshell. You take a very complex issue with many different elements and try and pigeonhole some statistical information to fit your prejudices. The statistics don't bear your point out you just interpret them in a certain way without looking beyond your instinctive prejudices to the more crucial causal factors like poverty.


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The statistics do bear my point out, that's the very reason the government stopped compiling them, it's also the reason the Swedish government doesn't compile statistics on race and crime, because most serious crime in that country is committed by minorities, white Swedes being a very law-abiding people.

 

Your inability to interpret, and capacity to misrepresent, statistics and trends is staggering. For the second time today I'll resurrect this thread.

http://bbs.barnsleyfc.org.uk/showth...********its-a-king-**************************

 

I'm with you on a lot of that. I don't think that it is particularly sensible to host economic migrants without particular skills while the Red Cross are delivering food parcels to the poor and the needy. It's common sense to look after your own first. I'd say the majority of those Roma families are In employment. I know a lot work at Greencore but again they probably are propped out by in work benefits which It seems sensible to have an extended qualifying period for to me something like 3-5 years would be sensible to me.

At the same time I'm tutoring this lad from Iran who has come here as a non economic migrant. In his own country he was a physicist. Has a physics degree and has worked for several years for the Iranian government. Undoubtedly he will add value to our country. But. At the moment his Iranian qualifications count for nothing he is doing GCSE Science, maths and English and will have to go back to uni eventually while working in a Kebab shop part time. I don't know if he qualifies for any benefits but if he does it's an investment both in him and in (the long term) our country. So it's not a straightforward issue.


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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/257233/lse-consulting.pdf

No they don't you just wilfully, or because you don't understand the need to interprets base statistics, use base figures to try and fit in with your hatred of difference.

Have a read of this it interprets statistics which in themselves mean nothing it might illuminate your views.

I do love how paranoid you are it's very cute.

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