US Election

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  1. YT

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    Republican state legislature declined to change Pennsylvania law, which meant that processing of over 2.5 million mail-in votes could not begin until Tuesday morning. That, and the pandemic which has hurt the postal service meant that vote-counting would go on until Friday, and maybe even the weekend.

    Nothing mental about it.
     
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    Trump has alleged serious election fraud. I don't know whether that has occurred or not but if he believes he has irrefutable evidence then he has every right to challenge the election result. Beyond that, it will be up to the US legal system to consider the evidence and make a decision either way. This will have to be be a transparent process as the American people will demand to know the basis on which any Supreme Court decision is made.
     
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    Aww it turns out this was a fake, shame
     
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    The evidence has to be provided. The court cases (at state, then federal level) considered and a decision reached (and appeals process exhausted) before the end of November. The election college is mid December (14th?) and if no decision is reached, the speaker of the house will be signed in as President in January 25th (the USA constitution doesn't allow it to be without a President). The Speaker of Congress is Nancy Pelosi.

    Although there is a possibility that Senate elects one, and Congress the other, so a Trump/Harris or Biden/Pence combination is not impossible.
     
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    What do you mean worst of the worst?
     
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    indeed
     
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    yeah I like the current word of abuse ‘do gooders’. Who do we want to be do badders?
     
  8. casual tyke

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    Yes that is my understanding of the situation. This is a matter of legal process not a personality contest.

    If what you have suggested takes place and Nancy Pelosi is installed as US president I will not be disappointed because I put a £5 bet on her at 1000/1.
     
  9. Marlon

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    Nobody’s disputing any of that as far as I can see.
    The sticking point of your post is if it can be proven and is widespread which it isn’t .
    A couple of people making accusations does not make a case for fraud .
    There’s a case of black peoples in Republican area claiming to have been refused the right to vote . This is not grounds either .
    There’s no widespread evidence Trump hasn’t come up with any and the courts are throwing out his claims .
    He’s drumming up violence from the right wing and I hope after the election he’s made to pay .
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    No comment on the latest insanity because I'd have had to have seen it to comment (at the time). I was responding directly to you calling me out for no reason and putting me as leader of some pack when you've got zero evidence to be making unfair claims like that.

    I make a fair effort to offer an opinion that differs to some of the claims made on here, not to support him. But at the same time in this thread alone I've repeated that Biden will win, called Trump 'emotionally unhinged', and not once supported any of his crazy antics which I've repeatedly joined in with criticising. I've said there's stories out there, and I've called them stories not facts, that if true could lead to legal proceedings, but also that they're unlikely to change the result of Biden winning the election because they're not strong enough. I haven't seen you offer anywhere near the same level of respect in discussions to be honest.

    Just because I don't completely follow your narrative you appear to want to label me with something negative and point score. I mean someone called me a 'Trump Chump' earlier, which at that point in an adult conversation you're adding nothing at all. You might completely disagree with me and what I respond with, no issue there, but I'd like to think I articulate my responses in a sound tone with sound enough knowledge on what I'm talking about, with respect for who I'm speaking to.

    Of all the predictions on this election on the BBS I'm probably the one who got closest to being right. Because I kept saying stop taking the bias snippets from the mainstream media and step out of the Trump hate bubble and look at what's going on for the people of the US to vote on. Fracking, Fossil Fuels, Defund the Police, National Lockdown, Stimulus, Immigration, Socialism, Rioting and ANTIFA, Jobs, Media, etc.

    Overall though it's been a good election for the US in general. Record voting numbers for both candidates, the most diverse Republican senate in history with more women than ever before, and the potential voting fraud claims, whilst not changing the election result, might force a tightening up of the procedures and systems and instil a 'one country approach' to it all in four years time. There's also a possibility, that despite it looking like the gap between right and left has been growing over recent years, that there's going to be a move closer to the centre which will only help with calming things down.
     
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    Lets see how many cases go before a judge, I'm guessing not many. The GOP won't throw money at it if they know they'll lose. If the GOP jettison Trump financially then he'll have to foot the bill. Watch how quickly the legal cases get pulled if that happens. Even the most ardent Trump supporter with vast private wealth wouldn't throw away money like that.
     
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    Nancy Pelosi isn't even going to retain being Speaker of the House by the looks of things. A lot of blame falling at her feet for the Democrat results.

    If this scenario played out it would be the biggest rise and fall in politics I've seen over there in my lifetime.
     
  13. man

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    So what do you think of his press conference now you've had chance to see it? And do you think he's racist?
     
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    I’m thinking as soon as it’s confirmed that Trumps lost ,the Republicans will jump a sinking ship in droves.
     
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    I love how those are the two questions you ask me based off everything I just typed out. You couldn't make it up.

    A little bit like the thread I got involved with the other day defending the admin team, I don't win here, but to keep you happy and off my back I think his press conference was that of someone on the verge of defeat, who isn't a politician, who couldn't care less about 'being Presidential', and was way too much too soon. Last chance saloon territory throwing everything at the wall hoping something would stick when all it will achieve is making any genuine claims of voter fraud less credible. But I've kind of covered that with the emotionally unhinged comments I made earlier around something similar so you didn't need to ask.

    You would have to say he's racist based on everything in the media and some of the crass and misguided comments he's made. But if you've consumed more than one media there are credible arguments out there that offer a different view. He just grew the black male vote as well to the highest in Republican history. That obviously doesn't mean he isn't racist, but it's an interesting stat that would hint that the feeling in the US isn't as clear cut.
     
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    I'm sorry Marlon. I didn't realise that Donald Trump had sent you all the evidence of the nature and scope of the fraud and that using your US legal expertise you had taken time to carefully consider all the intricacies of the allegations to determine beyond legal doubt that they are without basis and 'not widespread'.

    Or perhaps that isn't the case and, like the rest of us at this point in time, you don't know what exactly the allegations are and what evidence exists to support them at this time?
     
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    Of course they were the questions I asked, because they're the ones you'd previously avoided. I think you're giving him far too much slack on both counts. His press conference was basically an unfounded attack on democracy and incitement to unrest and based on his on the record comments, actions and the lawsuits against him across several decades (none of which is "the media", it's his own words and actions), he's clearly a racist. I don't see how there's a credible argument to the contrary.
     
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  18. Loko the Tyke

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    I hadn't previously avoided them. You just said something like 'and no comment on the latest press conference'. To which I replied saying I would have had to have seen it to comment on it. I'm an hour ahead at the moment so was close to 1am when that was all happening. So again, you're being a bit unfair suggesting that. As soon as you asked me you got an answer.
     
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    http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/us-election.296928/page-35#post-2584238
     
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    Genuinely didn’t see that post. I was getting about 15 notifications every ten minutes at that point.

    But my response you’ve just replied to was specifically talking about the press conference. I had no idea what you meant with the racist question but I answered it for you anyway.
     

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