US Election

I'm curious about it all. That's why I'm so interested. The reasoning for not challenging those states you mention is in some cases due to no late changing of the rules, mail in ballots being counted early, etc. The argument is based on 'let's see how many votes we need and then find them'. I'm not for a mili-second suggesting that's true, just explaining the view point.

This 'stop the vote' and 'count the votes' joke is interesting. By stop the vote they mean stop because they believe illegal votes are being counted. By count the votes they mean, in Arizona's case, the 10,000 or so that were lost (or some number like that) and the fact that it was called super, super early.

 

It puzzles me how some people take an opinion that a discussion is there to be won, like a fight, and make the other person out to be bad. I've agreed with people on a ton of Trump criticisms. There's no spin, but you'd call it spin because it fits your agenda. It's tiring that you can't offer an alternative without being given a label, and that the label you're being given is a negative one.

I tend to talk about the US as a country and Republicans in general, rather than Trump, but I can see why that might be hard for people to separate.

 

Florida is held up as the best in class example for how to manage counting votes (despite the issues in 2000 with the recount) so I don't think you'd go near that one. Also if you're going for voter fraud you're mainly going to target Democratic run states, but this is all hypothetical because I don't think there's been any of that. It's definitely a system though that needs looking at. The worrying 'stories' for me are where you've got more than 100% of legible voters registered to vote and registered votes of the deceased - those kind of arguments can be proven rather than the ones about people being given Sharpie pens in the queue (I mean seriously?).

Interestingly, there's a strong argument Trump would have won the election if he hadn't have focused on dismissing the mail in vote. So he's shot himself in the foot there.

 

one of the things that's surprised me in all this, is the lack of prominent republicans speaking out against trump. they must realise his scorched earth tactics are causing massive damage to the party. I personally don't believe that Donald Trump truly reflects republicans. Radical republicans perhaps, but not all, surely? what he's doing is almost almost hitler-esque. deranged, in his bunker, surrounded by his closest family and acolytes, going down in flames.

of course there's still the tiny chance that what he's saying is actually proved to be true...in which case we're all going to look pretty stupid.

 

I voted Labour without being a fan of Corbyn at all. I guess the argument there is that the reason for disliking Corbyn was less linked to, not sure how best to word this, his risk/danger from an aggressive perspective compared to Trump? For me he was just a bit rubbish as oppose to people looking at Trump thinking he's a danger?

 

There's a few that have come out in the last 24 hours. Usual suspects, but then the usual suspects are the most high profile so you'd expect that. I think Senator Lindsay(?) donated $500k to his campaign yesterday.

Despite the impending defeat, Trump is getting A LOT of credit within the party for the results of the election. The opposite of what is happening in the Democrat party right now. I'm repeating myself, but this is the most diverse Republican senate in history, more women than ever before, more minorities, etc. Over 25% of the non-white vote in total. More votes than any other President in history.

PA just went blue by the way. Game over so at least the scoreboard won't run in to the weekend.

 

yeah, interesting. like in most cases, depends who you speak to. lots of people saying dems failed to land the 'blue wave'. others saying that was never expected because of the post ballots, and what we were seeing early was actually a 'red mirage'. highest votes ever, electoral vote, popular vote, flipped the rust belt and if he takes Arizona and Georgia as well...some could argue that's a cracking outcome

the pollsters genuinely got it wrong in some cases. but after the last 24 hours, who could possibly blame anyone for not publicly admitting they're voting trump?

 

They don't need to lose the house for Pelosi to not be voted in. I'm not sure people are fully understanding me so maybe I'm not explaining it very well. She won't be elected as she's being blamed at the moment for the poor showing overall.