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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    This is really just a bit of a myth though isn’t it? I mean, it fits a narrative in terms of Trump bashing, but makes the assumption that for every round of golf Trump played Obama was working, when the reality could easily be that Trump just has way more interest in golf and Obama did other things in his downtime that were less in the public eye. It isn’t like for like Trump bad/Obama good.

    Not taking a salary would be a big deal with any other President, but again doesn’t fit a narrative. I mean it literally felt like never saw Biden over the last six months or so. Wheeled out a bit more in the two or three weeks before election, but was hardly front of mind considering the profile of the job he was campaigning for.
     
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    In that case then you will be happy to put yourself forward as the first?
     
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    If Trump is president on the 21st January I will buy a 10 year Wednesday season ticket.
     
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    casual tyke Active Member

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    I get the feeling that post isn’t going to end well for you
     
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    Or does it fit a narrative because it’s true?

    That’s where the binary attitudes of today fits.

    I despise the binary politics, but then I hate Trump too.
    Not because he’s orange, or because he’s a Republican.

    but because he was born into a privileged world, and he believes he deserves it. If he was just a guy I’d met in the pub I’d hate him.
    If he treated my wife or daughter in the way he treats other women I’d stab the tw@.

    he’s an awful human being, and I’m well aware that none of them are perfect, that US politics is even more f ucked than ours. But as I’ve said before, Trump isn’t a sensible answer to that problem, he’s actually made it much much worse.
     
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  6. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    It could well be. But it's just as likely to be not true which is the point I was getting at and the way certain media platforms can portray things to suit what they want part-time readers to take from it.

    As for everything else in your post that's not an area I'd debate against. I understand it, appreciate it, and wouldn't invalidate anyone on thinking that.
     
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    I don't think most people have a problem with him playing golf, they have a problem with A) The hypocrisy from Trump and conservative media in how they treated Obama for it, then he goes and does it on the double and B) The funnelling of millions of dollars in federal funds into his own companies (which he was required by law to remove all ties with) while acting as a philanthropist for donating 400k/year.
     
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    which year though? :)
     
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    I think you're confusing how much you know about the US vs. people who just know the 'golf' headline. I'm not sure that many people are aware, believe, or care about B) that much (rightly or wrongly). The media have blurred the lines of what's true and what isn't on both sides in the US that you've got a huge chunk now who just brush it off. You only have to look at the Hunter Biden stories as an example of that.

    I get what your argument about donating his salary, but that's a big deal and is something that not that many people are aware of.
     
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    Wow. Just noticed that this thread has been revived. I have to hand it to you Loko your persistence in defending the indefensible is quite something.

    What are your thoughts on Sidney Powell, the "lawyer" who is now meeting Trump on a daily basis although she was dropped earlier in the month when she claimed that
    an alliance of Cuba, Venezuela, the Clinton Foundation, the billionaire George Soros and Antifa, a loosely defined left-wing movement, for somehow making votes for Mr. Trump disappear?
    (Guiliani then added Black Lives Matter to the list).

    She is now back and meeting Trump and Flynn (a convicted felon) discussing seizing voting machines and introducing martial law to rerun the election. Flynn who should have been tried for
    treason that is and should be in jail.

    Powell also suggested that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should appear on national television to confess their crimes and if they didn't they should be executed.

    What characterises all of these claims is that there is zilch evidence for them. They are made up. Fake News. And the crimes of the President Elect and the Vice President Elect they are not specified.

    She is now being considered to be appointed as special counsel to the President!

    Incidentally I have had three emails from the Trump folk in the last few months - two of them told me that that I was in the top 100 supporters and if I contributed I would get a free MAGA hat. Desperate times but
    $200 million gathered in and shared between the GOP and the Trumps.
     
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    how do you know all these facts are you in the FBI ?
     
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    "If I win I may never see my property -- I may never see these places again," Trump said at an August 2016 campaign event. "But because I'm going to be working for you, I'm not going to have time to go golfing, believe me. Believe me. Believe me, folks."

    Its the repetition of "believe me" three times which makes this quote so wonderful.
     
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    Literally everything he said is in the public and is just things said by Trump and his allies
     
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    but is it true?
     
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    can you give a link to this quote please,so I can fact check it
     
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    The simple fact is Trump criticised Obama extensively for the amount of golf he played. Then Trump played a hell of a lot more - estimated at a round every 5 days. Don't you agree that makes him a hypocrite, regardless of how Obama might have spent his time? (and speculating about this without evidence is a pretty weak argument, but I guess baseless speculation is the Republican flavour of the month)
     
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    :confused:
     
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    So when you said "The Senate discussed this last week and they admitted it wasn't a rejection of the case per say, and they used a phrase for it that essentially meant the appeal wasn't focused enough on a specific claim that would have allowed them to rule any differently. They also admitted that there was enough in the claim that demands the public deserve to see post-election investigation of how voting was handled in certain states, but not an overturn."

    what you actually meant was "one Republican said this"?
     
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    And finally before I settle down for the afternoon. The baseless accusations about voting machines have led to threats of legal action from Dominion. That bastion of the free and fair press Newsmax had to issue a statement last Friday
    hastily trying to distance itself from what its contributors have said on air. Here's their statement

    https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmat...tems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/

    Fox News are worming their way into a similar stance and made a weird on air statement over the weekend.

    Note also that Smartmatic software, contrary to their false accusations, was not used anywhere other than in Los Angeles

    I wonder if Trump will support them when Dominion's lawyers come calling - he has Presidential immunity. I expect he won't.
     
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