Valdo Calcone

Sure - I completely understand your login here but my point was that the victims family were far from satisfied with the outcome. We haven’t heard the last of this I’m certain as it has far more reaching implications particularly as I’ve just heard that Barnaby’s mother is asking for a mandate for this type of horrendous crime. I’m guessing there’s more accountability to come if the families decide to pursue further investigations. I guess we can debate the out comes all day but the real victims here at those three innocent people and their families!

 

Rwanda has excellent opportunities. Ask the current PM. I'm sure a flight could be arranged. No one has been on one yet. Could be a first!

 

It's certainly easy to understand the frustration of the victims' families. Who wouldn't feel for them? But the fact is that had the murder charges remained, Calcone would have been acquitted on them because of his inability to form the specific intent required. The outcome would have been the same. The Prosecution accepted the pleas to manslaughter because they knew they would have difficulty proving the murder.

 

UN should be getting it in the neck too for sending people there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12911401/asylum-seekers-Rwanda-Britain-migrants.html

 

The man is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, yes what he did was horrific and his punishment will be a lifetime in a secure medical facility and having the deaths of 3 people on his conscious.

The law is the law, if the CPS have decided there's diminished responsibility due to his mental state, then that's what they have to work with.

Of course the victims families wanted a murder verdict, because to them and many others in this country, this man murdered their loved ones in cold blood.

Nobody wins in these situations.

 

OK, not sure what your point is though? You are quoting the Daily Fail here, or Daily Heil. Given the UN repatriates many people 150 odd, would suggest they might nave Rwandan heritage. Nothing gets in the way of a good right wing tabloid headline though. Glad you could share that.

 

The Boston strangler had a similar sentence back in the 60's. He was murdered in his cell.

 

Fingers crossed

 

On the one hand, an immigrant who comes to the UK at 16 with his family, leaves school without A levels and then works his way to achieving a degree is the kind of immigrant we want. Unfortunately, whether due to cutbacks, Covid or some other reasons, he didn't get the mental health support he desperately needed to deal with his schizophrenia and the result was 3 people killed.

Many of the same people that are outraged that a man with serious mental health issues killed 3 people are the same people that voted to cut funding to mental health services. That has directly led to the lives of 4 people being over and indirectly to their family and friends having to face this grief.

 

Really? Not saying in one sense he might deserve it, I get that. If our criminal justice system revolves around murders & drug dealers seeing off other murderers, I'm starting to worry. It does happen obviously, but to applaud it, no, not me.

 

How many "white anglo saxons" have done the same thing. Just great for the Daily Mail & @dreamboy3000 & the likes.

This thread is going to do my head in now, so I'm off the BBS till Saturday & the match. Quoting the Daily Mail, which is a fascist newspaper is enough, but people taking the law into their own hands is sadly a bridge above.

 

My point is Rwanda is either safe for everyone or (as most would agree) not safe. The nationality of a person shouldn't matter.

 

Prison is pretty tough environment
Mental Hospitals are cushy AF.

Justice serves 2 purposes - punish, and rehabilitate.
He''ll probably eventually get released on the QT in 20-30 years time, but will be no use to society whatsoever and probably still pose a risk, so no real rehab is going to happen.
He's not being punished in a secure hospital, that is for sure - he's being looked after as a patient.

 

Damien Bendall wasn’t an immigrant.

 

I can almost guarantee you're saying that with 0 experience of a long term stay in a mental institute.

 

Murderer and rapist Damien Bendall wasn't a paranoid schizophrenic.

 

That's absolutely not true.

Mental Hospitals such as the one he'll be going to are significantly worse than prison.

 

Also with a man with mental conditions such as Calcone, it wouldn't be appropriate to stick him in a prison where he is a severe risk to other inmates and staff.

A mental institute is where his medicine can be regulated to his state of mind and where experienced staff will know how to handle him. He should be placed and thankfully where is he going.

 

I'm not sure what point you're making.

 

It is safe for Rwandans, as long as they are not LGBT, maybe. If you look at their human rights record it is shocking. I'll just block your posts for now, as you just want to spout right wing rhetoric. I wonder if you have ever met an immigrant? I'll never know now, as it is simply goodbye from me & goodbye from him. Goodbye.