Vas Te

In the Premiership.

When he was a teenager.

 

I understand that view - but in this instance I don't think the club could have dome anything any differently. Vaz Te came to us on the back of a few good pre-season games, a non event at Hibs and nearly off the football radar - a year's contract was fair. Drinkwater - thatw as just the risk you take with loannees.

In a wider context I worry that we don't have the necessary commercial drive and business nous in the 2 directors that we have. PC it seems is out of the picture. If we are going to take it season by season and not try and look 2 or 3 years in advance then we'll lose Hill and no decent manager will come to us because why would they risk their career on a club that seems to be concerned with the short term only ?

Never mind 'someone with money' to buy PC out, we need more capable people running the club in my opinion. Commercially minded, aggressive business savvy people would be ideal.

 

Thats just football though isn't it? Exeter will be thinking the same. Doncaster will too after losing Sharp. As will southampton for losing Oxlade-Chamberlain. Sunderland for losing Bent. Villa for losing Downing. Liverpool for losing Xabi Alonso. Unless you're Real Madrid it'll always happen

 

It's okay, I'm having a punt on't next euro millions, we'll be reyt when I win

 

It is fustrating, we never have any real long term players in the team anymore. Players you look forward to coming back to watch season after season. Selling our best players and replacing them with lower league players will surley catch up with us soon!!

 

west ham supporter on my facebook says its£1.5m we got for him, just as someone said before

 

Perhaps so, on differing levels. I wouldn't include Villa and Liverpool because whilst they might have the odd player going they have stability.
It's completely moved on from the 80's and 90's, look back at teams from those years and you'd see the vast majority of players remaining from 1 season to the next. Now you have half a team filled with loan players, a manager has to constantly seem to have to build a new team every year....can't begin to understand how frustrating that must be for a manager.

 

I agree it has got worse in football in general, particularly lower leagues. But I do think there is a change of attitude at Oakwell. The new lad has come in on a two and a half year contract. If you look through our team you can start to see the basis of permenance. I think Vaz Te is a unique scenario given he was a gamble and if the money being discussed is correct then I'm more than happy. Drinkwater was unfortunate but to be fair this wouldn't be happening if we were bottom of the league. Plus, as Hill says, his style of football is more system based than inidividual. If you play good passing football and recruit the right players you don't become reliant on one player

 

Is them Keef's words?

 

I don't post very much but like to keep my eye on posts etc, but I just wanted to add my bit to the thread

I think it is too easy for people to blame the club all the time (i.e. Directors, Mr Cryne, Managers) for certain situations.

This club we all love are the same as most clubs in football nowadays in the way that players have a lot of the power and money as well. The club cannot win whichever way it goes. The club offer longer term contracts for so called ex Prem star players and then get their fingers burnt paying high wages and the players are not up to it and we have to release them (pay them off early at an expense to the club).

On the other side of the coin the club signs a unproven player a lower wage and shorter contract who then develop into a good player for us but then has the power over the club as they are on low(ish) wages and their agent is letting every big club who has the money know that.

Our club then has 2 options.

Option 1 is to offer bigger wages to try and keep the player and therefore invariably affecting the budgets and putting the club in danger of losing money. We just have to look at Portsmouth again who are in trouble. Look at Bristol City who lost £11 million recently. What would happen to our club if we lost £11 million - we would not be in business that is the simple answer!

Option 2 the player and his agent make it clear that they will not sign again for the club and they will leave in the summer, so what do the club do? Sell them for a perceived low amount but it brings in much needed money to the club to help balance the books and also allows the manager to bring in new faces or KEEP the player who then feels the club has stopped him from getting a bigger club and more money and they then sulk and cause trouble around the dressing room and they will have probably agreed a pre-contract with the club anyway.

Our club has to fight for survival at this level every season and we are still in the Championship after 5 seasons and will again stay up this season I’m sure of it. So we must be doing something right just look 20 miles south to see that!!

We have a manager who has already proved he can wheel and deal and find a player who fits to his style of football (a style I must say that most fans want Barnsley FC to play), so let’s leave him and the board to it, they may not get it right with every single player and we might not agree with every selection/signing but they are paid to make these decisions and not us!!

Our job as fans is to back the team and get behind the club we love!
We need as many people at the ground tonight supporting the team and Mr Hill - COYR!!!

 

Word.

For.

Word.

 

Awesome post!

 

Yep - Exactly has he replied!!

Said he has nothing but admiration for Patrick and Don though. Said to us at the start of the evening that Don Rowing is brilliant at his job and wouldn't really wish to work for anyone else. He understands what constraints he has to work under and wants people to realise this too with their expectations.

His exact words last night when we were asking about crowd reactions to results were as follows -

As a player - you hate to lose. Imagine how it feels as a manger, knowing, that if the opposition play to there full capabilities my team will lose. Its soul destroying but thats what ive got here. But it makes those wins at Leicester ect all the sweeter.

Sobering thoughts really and makes you realise what he goes through every week!!

 

Spot On. Club is leaderless. All joking aside, I think the Don is doing all he can with **** all support. We need a bigger board of capable people. They don't need to be mega rich.

 

Speaks volumes does Keef in them few words there. It is not just about money IMHO.

 

Correct. And they had Okocha and Djorkaeff, who'd been two of the best players in the world.

 

I kind of understand his notion but don't necessarily agree that spending for example 2 million quid on a player makes him twice as good as a £1 million player which obviously nonsense.

In reality football clubs are run by humans and player transfer fees are inflated by agents, media and the specific clubs they play for and this means clubs will pay well over the odds for the pplayer in question. In addition most footballers in the middle divisions are much of a muchness with only a small percentage of skill difference which creates the edge. This edge is what clubs pay millions for but again this is open to variables like form, confidence, motivation etc can mean they are **** once they move clubs are lose value not long after.

I can also name loads of managers that currently have millions to spend and I wouldnt give them 50p to go a buy me a decent 50p mix up.

 

One thing aboutn Ricardo too......

That will make him an asset to Allardyce - Is that he is great in the air! Never got enough credit for how many headers he won. Ideal for how West Ham play....

 

If it is £1.5million, or even anywhere near £1 million, this has to be a brilliant deal for the club and RVT. We picked him off the rubbish dump and, with our management team's schooling, turn him back into the player he had the potential to be. That is a terrific mark-up for us on the prices paid and received. What encourages me is that I can see Hillflicker doing this with other players. I know it is frustrating that we turn players from the rubbish dump into gems, but think about the value added by the management team. The day will come when our financial situation will be much stronger than many clubs by taking this route, rather than following the Leicesters, or Pompeys of the Championship. Norwich are in the Premiership on a tight budget and with this sort of signing. Lets be honest, players on Premiership wages are not that significantly better than others. If our management team realises that application, motivation and training skills count for so much value added, then that is great for us. Even if it means we lose players. WHU lost out on the Rangers striker for £7 million, so they have the cash ok.

Just a thought a la Shackell deal - any WHU strikers we might take on a month's loan if we cannot do a deal? (Other than Nouble) Savon Hines looks handy; also Christiano Montano (on loan at Dagenham, but done well also with Swindon); Victor Obinna; Frederique Piquionne. I don't rate Freddie Sears, personally. Just a thought.

 

Too much common sense theer......

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