We can't vote for Jeremy Corbyn

I dont want to speak for you thanks, but dont kid yourself in thinking the man is not hated by the majority of the armed forces because he is, vehemently.

 

To be fair Labour, a pro European party, a pro remain party, where the majority of voters, PLP and members voted to be an EU member, should never have switched to condone Leave. Its frightening that Milne, Corbyn and McCluskey can override a whole parties wishes at every level.

 

thats for you to square away i guess. i think he is and as such im quite comfortable voting for labour in my constituency, they wont get in mind as its dyed in the wool tory area here, but i can try! Once the manifestos are released it will be interesting to see exactly what we are voting for however, im still very comfortable that labours socialist principles will be the closest i can get to my own thinking.

 

Have you seen the crap momentum are churning out by the second? I've never seen such rubbish in my life coming out as Tories, Leave, BxP and Labour activists go into full on gammon on gammon.

 

well dont say throughout all the services then when its clearly untrue.

 

there is a fair bit of guff to wade through thats for sure! Cambridge analytica will be clapping their hands, do they still exist actually?

 

Ok fair point I should have said the vast majority

 

Cambridge Analytica don't... some other temporary set up absolutely will.

I'm curious how the Momentum set up is structured, the exact same tweet spammed through multiple different accounts and then picked up and retweeted and shared by lots of different activists. Pretty much instant too. Its certainly dark art based.

We certainly live in a modern age of more subtle propaganda. Not one voice anymore, but many alleged voices, just all saying and sharing the exact same thing.

 

true , i particularly like the " im backing boris 100%" line you see on the conservative posts, amazing how so many "real people" with no apparent other facebook history suddenly seem to be backing the Tories!!.

 

Spot on! The silence will be deafening!

 

Just a very interesting aside from the weekend, was down in Kent with 2 very dyed in the wool lifelong conservative voters. One said they were likely to vote LibDem. The other didn't confirm what they'd vote for, but it will either be still Tory, but Brexit Party in my mind more closely fits their views on migration and negative "foreigner" sentiment.

What was really interesting though, one of their friends used to work for William Hague years ago, is a long term Tory member, highly active with campaigning and very defensive of the party whenever i've spoken with her (rarely). She has cancelled her membership because of how far right the Tories have shifted. It seems she's undecided how she'll vote, though didn't rule out spoiling their ballot.

Surprised me that 3 very conservative lifelong voters seem to be moving away from that party. The ward has about 10k majority.

 

Oh I quit facebook years ago. Just tend to see twitter threads.

 

I don't know if you saw the poll the other day where it basically asked the same question in two different ways and got a different answer each time.

~70% of the Labour membership are Remain. If Labour is to be a democratic party, then it cannot stay as a Leave party because the membership are against it.

 

its just the same. i can assure you.

 

I suspect facebook is much much worse because of the huge amounts of personal information people willingly gift

 

Tbf Tt many were not born, have no ties to the region or dont give a flying rats hoop what happened to the miners 30 odd years ago, I dont include myself in this as I had family members who worked in the industry, I am making an observation on what I hear day in day out at work, from dozens of military bases I visit in the south. I get the hatred many have up there for the cons, of course i do but outside yorkshire the Northeast and south wales people in general have forgotten about it or dont give a shi1t, you only have to look at Barnsley as a example, a former mining town decimated by the closures to see how many of these former lifelong Labour voters who wont/ cant vote for the party as long as Corbyn is the leader, it's not fiction, you can see on here how many are perplexed and they probably think a life under Corbyn is as bad or worse as a life under the cons

 

But, Scoff, what is the Labour party policy for this all-important election - is it Leave or Remain?

Because if Labour sticks to the policy of 'Let the people decide' in a post-election referendum - however noble that may sound - it will not appeal to the voters at the ballot-box.
Mr Corbyn - do you believe referendum results should to be honoured....?

Corbyn's socialist policies are right but the way he's trying to get them implemented is woeful.
He is slowly destroying the Labour party - the party I have always voted for.

 

this is whats wrong with holding a GE now. the policy about brexit shouldn't even be an issue. surely though those who must see the phoney war as important could back labours view, especially as you put it you are a socialist and their home policies are right? elect labour, agree a deal and then let the people decide. exactly what should have happened the first time around...... agree everything and then a vote.

 

I think the main two parties are in lose-lose situations to be honest. If Labour pin their colours to the mast and say leave then they risk losing 70% of their support, if they campaign for remain then they risk losing 30% which is still a sizeable chunk when they don't look like being anywhere near securing a majority at a GE.

The safe bet- whether people like it or not- is for them to put it back to us again and trust voters to see the bigger picture i.e. NHS and public sector problems. Labour supporters such as myself aren't then likely to go elsewhere such as libs or greens etc.

It is a complete mess and i'm annoyed that an election now takes the focus away from other important issues that require attention.

Ps there is not a cat in hell's chance I will vote elsewhere given my circumstances so no point anyone trying to convince me otherwise. I'm a frontline NHS employee for starters. Just offering an opinion on why Labour has taken this strategy.