We told you.

I wasn't particularly pro-lockdown but a few points need to be made:

1. It's wrong to suggest that we know that this course of action resulted in the most deaths. We only have a covid deaths number from the situation where we tried to actively reduce it, we have no idea what that figure would have been if we let it rip.

2. If there had been no lockdowns the NHS would not have simply ticked along nicely. There would have been substantial disruption and a lot of non-covid avoidable deaths would have happened anyway.

3. I think that a lot of the avoidable deaths are due to separate government policy on NHS/immigration as they are due to Covid. See this extract from the article



People dying in A&E is due to chronic underfunding and inability to recruit, not covid.

4. Not really related, but the absolute state of the other stories on that front page. Christ.

 

So you're saying that we should have had no lockdown in order to make COVID deaths higher than other deaths?

 

Suicides aren't up - or at least weren't in 2021.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...jantomartoquarter4octtodec2021provisionaldata

GP appointments are also up to record levels in 2021. You might argue about face-to-face, but phone appointments are much more convenient for many people - and when we've needed one after the phone appt its been arranged as soon as possible.

https://www.gponline.com/general-pr...dented-367m-appointments-2021/article/1738580

There was a small rise in drug/alcohol addition.

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...suse-treatment-statistics-2020-to-2021-report

Cancer and other illness diagnosis rates aren't published yet, but November 2021 saw the highest ever number of screening appointments.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2022/01/...-high-with-quarter-of-a-million-in-one-month/

 

At the moment, we don't know the reason for the increased deaths. It is entirely possible it is a combination of factors - including previous Covid infection knackering the organs/immune system leading to deaths from other causes months/years later. So while there is a possibility it is a result of lockdown, you would have to acknowledge that it is equally plausible that letting a novel virus run rampant through the population might have long-term negative effects on the health of that population.

On a purely anecdotal level, our neighbour caught Covid bad in the first wave - and is still now 2 years later having to call an ambulance on a regular basis due to his chest/lungs (hes outside coughing badly now). The only time I've heard a similar cough was a former pub landlord I knew that smoked 20+ and drunk a gallon per day for 11 months of the year. He died a few years later.

If your heart is damaged by Covid and you die from a heart attack a year later, is Covid the underlying cause or is it lockdown? Same with your lungs, or kidneys, or brain, etc.

In other words, there is no proof that TMs hypothesis is correct *at this time* - and indeed many of those supporting this hypothesis are those that were repeatedly wrong throughout the course of the pandemic.

 

And an actuary looking into the figures. TLR ITs complex.

 

The telling part there for me is 'Analysis by the Daily Telegraph', so that's alright then as long as its by experts!
Any other time it would have been dismissed as sensationalist journalism but hey if you want to cling to it to try to 'prove' a point crack on!

 

Much easier to miss something or miss diagnose over the phone gp appointment

 

Are GPs immune from catching Covid?

 

It doesn't make sense to compare these two things. Covid deaths are much lower BECAUSE of lockdown! We don't have the data for how many people would have died without lockdown. This article seems to be pointing to covid deaths being low and using that to suggest we shouldn't have locked down. Crazy.

This article seems to be linking the hospital delays to lockdown. We locked down partly because the hospitals were full of covid patients! If we'd not have locked down the hospital delays wouldn't be shorter. The hospitals would've been even more rammed with covid patients, and therefore not people with other health issues. Think about all the doctors and nurses who'd have got covid and had to miss weeks of work.

The NHS truly is in crisis. A pandemic certainly hasn't helped. They need to do something now but who knows how to fix it. Maybe underfunding it for years is also to blame...

 

The worst thing is the MSM went in hard with covid death stories but failed to mention this.....

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...thsinhospitalsfellexceptforcovid19/2021-05-07

The past two years has been horrific for the increase in people dying at home, but you just never see it mentioned in the news.

 

So where is the analysis that concludes that these excess deaths are directly related to lockdown?

Is it not possible that they are not more likely to be related to things such as;
- Chronic lack of investment in our healthcare system
- Driving staff away from the NHS, purely because we don't like forrinners
- Creating a £37bn budget for test and trace, and having nothing to show for it
- The Government's failure to make decisions, which led to lockdowns being brought in after the horse had bolted
- Failure to invest in mitigations, such as better ventilation in public buildings (schools, hospitals etc...), or scaled up production of ffp2 masks

Lockdown was horrible, and posed a serious risk to people's mental health, but I'd be asking questions about the above more than anything. Of course, there's one thing that links it all together, and that is an incompetent Government.

 

Just this past week alone. That's been the case for the vast majority of the past two years. You never see the MSM mention it. You never hear political types asking MPs about it. I haven't heard Truss or Sunak say what they would do about it. It's been the forgotten part of the pandemic.

 

Where abouts did i say they were? Are they immune from catching flu?

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

This ^^^^^^;;

 

I haven't read that guff but are you saying lockdown has killed over 200,000?

How many would have died if we hadn't had those lockdowns???

 

Just suggesting that its no good doing face to face at the height of a pandemic where no vaccine was available if GPs are off sick.

A flu jab vastly reduces the symptoms.

 

There was no alternative at the time but over the phone appointments were a greater risk to fit healthy under 55s who arent obese than covid. I fall into that category i had covid in lockdown and also flu less than a year ago flu for me was far worse.

 

More hysteria stirring from.our wonderful media.

If there was a news blackout for a month the world would be a much happier place.