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On all the wallpapers i will put a disclaimer so we don't get in trouble from the club..
Plus, No offer on my Graphics part i could do stuff?

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That depends who develops it, it might seem significant for you but for me its a work in the park, not even a big park

This is a little short sighted IMO, no real reason why we shouldn’t plenty of reasons why we should.

I’d love to hear some constructive reasons so that I can protest further

by the way:

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Another reason to ditch this software and build our own that WORKS

 

bang something together then, show us what you can do

 

I will do gladly but im not going to spend a week doing this based on “bang something together then, show us what you can do”, I would like to think if I was going to build this you would use it, I don’t think your convinced moving to a new forum is a good idea yet, am I wrong?

 

My opinion FWIW

Is that this is very presentable forum software.
What we don't want to end up with is a cruddy vB style forum. Yes, from a features viewpoint, they are great but the look and feel of this forum are the closest to the original radders.co.uk forum that this community grew from. There's nothing wrong with progress but in the past, when the look and feel of the board have changed, the atmosphere has changed with it.

The only things I would add to this software (which DOES work, by and large) are a more efficient search function that doesn't forever time out and a message box to notify of a new private message.

However, I also feel it would be unproductive to limit any expansion of the site to a forum format. Why not have a stylish homepage with news sections, match reports etc, and a forum section that links you here? If we have web designers who are willing and able, where's the harm? I certainly think if Tarn1 and the .net site had been on better terms, their site with that forum could have been a winning combo. It was not to be but there is little wrong with the ideal IMHO. If we have web designers, content providers and forum administrators onside I don't see the problem.

 

That was far too sensible nt

 

Spot on.

As you say, there is already a perfectly good forum. My idea was not to provide another but have a website with match reports, articles, interesting stuff and put the two together.

No point re-inventing the wheel, as they say in manager speak.

 

Ok I can see your points here but I would like to try and open your eyes up to some things you may have missed. The accounts we use to login to the forum, at the moment these accounts are limited to the forum only, what if users could login to the new site and comment on news items and match reports, what if they could choose the next starting 11 or add images of matches to a community gallery? And still post on the forum all through the same one account? The new website would then be community driven with the vast majority of content coming from the fans itself not just the privileged few who have admin rights.

 

"That depends who develops it, it might seem significant for you but for me its a work in the park"

Without getting into a pissing contest, after 10 years as a freelance software developer, I've got a reasonable take on how much work is involved. If you would llike to go ahead and build a better forum then go for it. But there's a lot of functionality that needs to be replicated before you can start improving things.

What exactly is so urgent that a new forum needs to be written from the ground up? I'd love to know.


By the way, that error isn't down to the software, more down to the creaking webserver/database server this is running on and the size of the database.

 

with the cutenews mod ive found, its possible for anyone to comment on news/match reports anyway. the point in getting an account to view a site is too much like the official one, and wastes time for people who just want to read news and such without being bombarded with "SIGN UP NOW! FREE GIFT!" and all that. by all means sign up for the forum if they want to, thats up to them in the end

 

All good stuff

The only thing i am keen to avoid is alienating people, so any mention of new boards makes me think twice after what happened last time.

I just want us to make something that tells the world who we are and where were from. because at the moment we dont have that. But i also want more people involved. No cliques, (there were those on both sides last time) just Barnsley fans telling the world about our club, town, culture and heritage.

Lets make it something to behold!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

RE: My opinion FWIW

Indeed this needs fixing

Noone was talking about limiting the site. In fact we are trying to do exactly this. Just seems crazy reinventing the wheel as far as the forum goes.

 

double post, oops (casualty)

 

Totally agree

this forum is absolutely fine as it is. It ain't broke and does NOT need &quot;fixing&quot;</p>

Build a website to run alongside it, and link in to it, by all means - but the Forum is just fine thanks very much.</p>

 

There is no rush, look Im just trying to convince you all that a forum that can speak to other applications would make the site far better and is something well worth considering especially at this stage. Right now you are already making plans about how pages are updated, you are already using CuteNews, Can CuteNews speak to this forum? Or will people who want to leave comments on news items have to create another account separate to their forum one?
There is not a good unofficial website for Barnsley on the net and there hasn’t ever been one, the right people to do this are on here, I believe that, and if we take time and build this the right way we could have a fully integrated website that blows the official one out of the park.
ex City Tyke: Your right it would take time to replicate the functionality we have here if we were to start from scratch, but iv already developed a few forums and already have the code to cover the basics, I honestly belive I could have a working example within a week.

Its import to note that this discussion is not about replacing the forum its about a new look website. My argument is that you can build this new project and patch it up with applications like CuteNews and MegaBBS but a fully integrated website will always be better, just because you don’t have the time or you don’t know how to do it yourself doesn’t mean you should exclude this idea. There are other Barnsley fans on here who can help.

 

I agree 100%, but you wouldn’t have to sign up to view content, you would only need to sign up to add comments/post on forum etc and if you already have a forum account then you wont even have to sign up.

You guys are dead set against this arnt you Look im not trying to stir things up just offer help. I think ill leave you to it, I get the feeling im not welcome, not sure what it was I said. Good luck with everything and I really hope you pull it off, we certainly need a site to compete with the official one and the other over advertised ones out there.

 

It is true, a custom-made, integrated website solution certainly has the potential to be better than a hotch-potch of applications that are not intercommunicable. However, this is not necessarily so. What we have works well for what it is. Maybe you could do better (who knows) but better on whose terms - better functionality, better integration with an as-yet unmade website - because these things do not guarantee that as a forum, it will better meet the needs of its user base.

As I see it, you have put forward these ideas and kindly volunteered your services. However, you have elsewhere stated you would be unwilling to embark upon this project unless it were to be implemented and thus engineered a stalemate. Unless you are able to demonstrate an improved, yet largely replicated version of this very forum, with integration to a main site capable of fulfilling the needs, present and future, of its user base, then we cannot ditch what we have. However, before such a project can get off the ground, I think the community needs far more focussed ideas on exactly what the new site could or should provide. And, sadly, I cannot see how, even with this in place, how any guarantees of implementation could be made without seeing first-hand what is on offer. Which could mean a whole lot of wasted time for you.

 

What would a new forum provide that we don't have already? You don't seem to have come up with any examples.

 

Yeah your right Revvie P, I understand the forums predicament. But like I said I can’t afford to put so much time into something that may never happen, it would be heartbreaking. I think you've drawn this particular issue to a close, the sensible way forward is to continue as is.

 

cutenews requires no registration to post comments, it provides admin and editor accounts for people to write/upload news, and you can organise into categories (eg. Match, Site, News etc) and its simple to use. no need to go all tech on it if something simple and useable is avaliable