Well it was a close run thing, but thankfully the vote went the right way

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  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    First off whilst I am in favour of Brexit, I think this vote result was correct in as much as it protects the sovereignty of Parliament. However, I am concerned that some will used it to attempt to overturn the democratic vote (whether you agrees with the outcome or not) and stop Brexit altogether. I don't agree that rejecting a deal necessarily means returning to negotiations as it takes two to negotiate and it also depends how close to teh wire the EU take it. After the trigger date we are out either with a deal or under WTO i.e Hard Brexit.
    Either way the EU have a stronger hand now. That said, if Parliament did vote a proposed deal down at a the last moment AND the EU offered to extend the negotiations it would expose the fact that they too are desperate for a deal and so weaken to some extent their negotiating position.
    I am appalled at the BBC that it suggests that it is 'Game over for Brexit' as one of their headlines (phrased as a question) puts it. THey have been making mischief on this (on both side of the argument) ever since the referendum which shows the UK to be weak and wobbly and emboldens the EU negotiators.
     
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    The EU have always and will continue to have the stronger hand in the negotiations. Even if our negotiators had a plan, experience and a large majority they would still be on the back foot throughout the negotiations.

    As will China, Japan, India and the USA if/when we try to negotiate a deal with them. We will have the upper hand with a lot of countries, but not many of them want services and can make anything we produce cheaper than we can make it.

    Brexit is emasculation (original meaning) on a national level.
     
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    I have to disagree as the mess that the EZ is (they have their own cliff edge they are racing towards) is greatly under-reported in the UK media. The longer the negotiations drag in the more the underlying weakness of the EZ and the Euro will become exposed. France in particular is highly vulnerable when we leave as they will be the the main economy (after Germany) who have to supplement the EU budget as our contribution tails off. Also remember that the EU exports as an entity in terms of percentage of World trade is declining year on year.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Interesting psychologically the people who voted to return sovereignty to parliament are now unhappy that sovereignty has beeen exercised by parliament. Very amusing in an Orwellian sort of way.
     
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    No one would dare withdraw it. Parliament going against the people is not too dissimilar to Charles the First going against parliament.
     
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    I think when most people talk about withdrawing the article 50 notice they mean temporarily, in order to re-set the clock on negotiations. Asking the EU to extend the time period by agreement would probably achieve the same.
     

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