What’s this off field incident?

Let’s be honest. In 2019 we shouldn’t be singing about a players **** regardless of what size it is supposed to be.

 

But yeah removal of the whole last line would make it perfectly fine

 

But we also used to sing 'Cum On Sam Winnall', and, yes, according to Slade, it is that spelling, and not 'come'.

Imagine that all over his fuzzy little beard.
Now THAT is offensive.

 

If that’s a response to my post; I clearly wrote ‘those words’

And I’ll add for clarity; I’ll be over the moon to find that the words had in fact been changed, but as no one who sang / chanted it has felt the need to confirm, I’m sceptical

 

i don't believe the words had been changed. i heard it. the BBC article writer heard it and lots of others did too.

 

Right so for clarity in my part of the stand it was just his name over and over. I didnt even hear the sheff utd or wednesday lines. My son joined in singing the name over and over too. Should I be telling him not to?
Tbh I felt a bit bad for Mads that his name hadn't been sung but then he did get motm as consolation.

 

Please tell me what and what is not acceptable. I certainly am not offended when people use the word tight. ( Typical yorkshireman and scotsman ) believe me. Not all are. Welsh are Sheepshaggers to coin a phrase . Believe me not all are. Pommy doesn't offend me in the slightest. Scum offends Leeds fans that much they sing it about themselves. Certainly nothing of a racist intent. Had a colleague at work retired recently nicknamed black. When talking to someone who didn't know him. I find myself explaining he was actually white and not offensive at all. All his coloured( if that's the correct term ) colleagues /friends called him black also. According to some nutjobs decorating a town in Christmas decorations offends other religions and used to resist putting em up. Did anyone ever take the time out to survey everyone in these so called offended different cultures. Not 1 yes not 1 when I've asked em are they offended. Say no and indeed hate the fact that people that chase the cause do them a disservice.

 

Put down the Daily Mail, most of the ****** in that post has no basis in reality.

The stereotype of Black men being well endowed is linked with them being sexual predators and from there a history of lynchings for little more than ‘looking at white women’.

I would really like to not be associated with a club who’ve now been linked with racism in the news 3 times in recent months.

Whether we agree about the offensiveness of the chant, surely we can agree we don’t want to be seen as racist as a club.

 

Totally misinterpreted my comments. Why do we assume that we offend the whole of society. Racism is abhorrent . In small terms indicates one part of society thinking they are superior over another. Most abhorrent words have been eradicated by most of the populace. We are now into the realms of it's very difficult not to offend someone when no offence intended. Don't read the daily mail by the way. Was offended you even assumed that.

 

Really? I was referring to your mention of the urban myth round Christmas lights, mentioning the word ‘tight’ as if there’s somehow a correlation between that and the issue at hand.

I’d like to keep this simple and unambiguous: Is anyone here happy to be associated with stories of racism in the press?

The solution to that is within our gift, we knock this behaviour on the head or we’re complicit in getting a reputation as racists.

 

Yet again you’ve commented on racism of which I and literally everyone on here abhor. I am not happy to to be associated with racism in the press or anywhere else. As you seem to infer. You have very little regard of other people’s views. Which in itself is bigotry. Which I would never suggest of yourself.
Edit. read your history re Xmas not just in this country not all about lights but on the same theme.

 

Again in your rush to be offended you’ve completely missed the point:
Firstly I objected to your ‘PC gone too far’ nonsense conflating Yorkshireman being ‘tight’ with actual racism, throwing in the old trope about Christmas decorations - whether you like it or not, that’s straight out of Britain Firsts playbook. If you abhor racism it shouldn’t be too difficult to knock that on the head.

My second point is very simple; we can either argue the semantics of this and accept the idiot few who are getting our club a reputation for being racist. Or we can stand together and call it unacceptable.

I’d prefer the latter option, but it strikes me there are plenty who are happy to defend the racists by slinging mud at the rest of us. Again; if you genuinely abhor racism you seem to have picked the wrong argument.

 

I still haven't had an answer though. Do we just not sing that tune? Is that what the club is asking for or can we sing the tune but obviously without those offending lyrics? If it is the former then I think the club needs to be more explicit

 

But my opening point was. What is offen referred to a racism. Is in fact Sterotypical comments. We may not agree to what is what. and that is why when i asked when is a stereotypical comment acceptable and not. What typical stereotypes comments are acceptable to yourself. Pommi can be deemed a racist comment for example. When most if not all see it as banter including yourself I assume.

 

I think stereotypes where it is not the region you are from and more due to your skin colour are the main problem re.racism

 

And again; it’s semantics.
If you’re happier pretending there’s a point to be argued than condoning what the press, FA and club are calling racism, then we all lose.

It’s a stereotype based on race, not one based on accent, geography, diet or shoe size.
It’s based on race ergo it’s racist.

 

Fair point.

 

I don't think a tune can be offensive can it? Those singing the words next to me in the Ponty were clearly emphasising 'c*ck' every time. I didn't partake, but that's my choice and equally it's their choice if they choose to sing it. I think the tune is very catchy and I enjoy the 'Bambo Diaby' bit. The funny thing is the 'c*ck' was very audible to me but not my mother, and the 'United and Wednesday' bit were clear to my mother but not immediately to me. I'm not going to be drawn on the argument, but I don't think any club would ask it's fans not to sing a 'tune', but it's the words in this case, and they were definitely sung ('explicit version') next to me. I didn't tell my mum the exact phrase (maybe she could make it out in the end?) out of embarrassment. I will focus on the solid performance of Diaby and the delight at the end as he came over to embrace the fans. Someone mentioned earlier in the week, Mads' and Diaby's interaction with the fans was more direct than Lindsey/Pinnock seemed to show, and this passion was a joy to see, but this could also be a personality thing so not judging Lindsey/Pinnock. Was very encouraging to see that from our new centre-halves on their debut though.

 

Is it though? I’ve not heard the song, but to say that the people who thought it up were thinking of black rapists they wanted lynching is pretty ludicrous. Maybe they saw it flopping about in his tight shorts?

I don’t want to be linked to a racist club, and see your point. But this shouldn’t even be on the same page as a fan racially abusing the Fulham players sister.

 

It doesn’t matter what the motive of the people singing it was.
It’s a lazy racial stereotype (which links it with other lazy racial stereotypes) and the club have asked the fans not to do it.

Of course it’s not equivalent to the assault and abuse the Fulham players sister received. But again it’s irrelevant.

It’s wrong to sing that song, it’s more wrong to carry on singing it after being asked not to, so yes we’ll be a bunch of racist fans according to the press for singing it - so arguing the semantics just leaves the status quo and we carry on being racists (in the eyes of the media)