what does wilson have to do to get sack?

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Actually in the short-term at least, our record of sacking a manager only for the replacement to turn our season around has been pretty good - until Mr Wilson arrived!

 

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But he did inherit the biggest collection of dross I've seen at Oakwell in many years. I do agree though, he had the chance to keep us up and it just didn't happen.

 

what dose wilson have to do to get sack?

Replacing Paul Hart with Andy Ritchie certainly worked with what was pretty much the same core squad so sacking managers certainly can and HAS worked


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In my time going to Oakwell:

Sacking Hendrie and replacing him with Bassett - success (success rate 1/1).
Sacking Bassett and replacing him with Spackman - epic, total failure (1/2).
Sacking Spackman and replacing him with Parkin - failure (1/3).
Parkin to Hodges - failure (1/4).
Hodges to Hart - failure (1/5).
Hart to Ritchie - success (2/6).
Ritchie to Davey - more success than failure. We didn't go down and did as well in the FA Cup as we'd done in a billion years. (3/7).
Davey to Robins - success (4/8).
Robins to Hill - failure, because he couldn't respond in the January window and we went into freefall. (4/9).
Hill to Flitcroft - more success than failure, but we would have gone down under him. (4.5/10).
Flitcroft to Wilson - disaster. (4.5/11).

We improve on a reasonably long-term basis about 40 per cent of the time when we sack a manager.

I couldn't go last night, but that 40 per cent is looking mighty tempting after reading a lot of the other threads on here....

 

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I think Hill and Flicker did better with dross than Danny is with a better squad of players. I don't like the idea of swapping managers but does the same apply for players? Right now as the confidence drops, the ideas run out as does the attendances I can't see which direction he is taking us other than into the doldrums or worse L2. This bad run has been a year now.

 

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Managers going back to clubs rarely works second time around so why would Mark Robins be any different. Danny got us in the Prem but that was 20 years ago and the game has moved on.
Think we need a younger more progressive manager, maybe even someone in higher non league with ambition but we're just sleepwalking in to another relegation fight, if not this year then almost certainly next year
Things need to change and fast though I'm still looking forward to the game at Orient, fool that I am !

 

Can I just ask the fans who will stick behind Wilson regardless because a few years ago a miracle happened, If he gets us relegated to L2 does that wipe out the he got us to The PL viewpoint or can he never be judged on any other season barring that one?


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The last 17 managers in 16 years would suggest your argument null and void.

 

And so does your comment here surely? Loads of managers could do the job but we have never picked the right ones and some we've picked, weren't even managers.

I will never know how Simon Davey got the job. His game before his appointment was an absolute arseholing and tactically inept performance against Wednesday. Flicker was never a manager despite him deserving to get the job and always had worked as a lower league assistant and Glyn Hodges had never worked as a manager before either. It's up to the board to pick the right manager and they haven't done it enough in the last few years

 

What about big Gudjon?

The man who took us to the top of the league and then started playing Antony Kay up front

 

Forgot about him! I always do, for some reason! Maybe I'm a massive racist.

He'd definitely be a success. I was gutted when we sacked him. He was as harshly-treated as any player or manager I can remember.

 

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That's always been the lazy arguement. If we knew which guys apply for roles we'd be able to answer it. I think we need a modern manager with modern ideas, that's played pro football in the past decade. Like how well Rosler did in his first job at Brentford, JFH is doing in his first job at Burton, Justin Edinburgh did at Newport before joining Gillingham for two wins from two.

I bet everytime our managers job comes up we always have plenty of fairly recently retired pros, who did well as a player, have their badges and just want to catch a break to prove themselves.

 

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Quite notable that there are runs of failures, which often go along with problems behind the scenes... administration & in recent times a lack of
investment while PC was facing a court case. A fair bit of money was thrown at trying to keep us up last season admittedly that was squandered by both Flitcroft & Wilson. It strikes me it takes a long while to turn things around.

I totally agree Wilson's second coming has thus far been fairly much in the "failure" camp in terms of results at least. I'm not convinced appointing someone else is going to do anything but add another to the "failure" list. The reason I didn't want Danny to come back was I could see this coming & it would be terrible for him to face the sack. I think it was time to get an experienced manager though & what is done is done.
The positives are we have a bunch of promising youngsters & some good signings. Defence overall looking better.
I personally can't see us going down again & I think we need to give him to the end of the season & then see where we end up.
We need a proper preseason next time round. Players were signed too late & fitness levels were terrible & I don't think we have fully got over that.

 

For me the best manager we have ever had whilst I have been a supporter had no managerial experience, Mr Alan Clarke, but the chances of getting another like him are virtually non existent

 

Yes, agree. I think Iley had actually done quite a good job before him though, he just had every decent player sold from under his nose...
Clarke came in & gates nearly doubled straight away, but he did make some inspired signings ... Glavin, Evans, etc, as well as weighing in with some experience on the pitch.

 

That's what I was saying in my post. Football has moved on since Danny got us into the premiership or played the game. I do feel with whenever the next appointment comes around we need to evolve and go down the inexperienced route with a well known guy who's played alot in the premiership to a decent level and wants to get into management to make use of his badges.

 

I think you are right, but to attract someone who is good & likely to take the job they need to inherit a squad or budget that they can do something with...

 

Walk into a hardware store and he should also ask for fork handles.