Whats the minimum we will accept.

After last season, I just want to be entertained first and foremost. Play some attacking football, score some goals and win some games.

I don't want to leave oakwell feeling depressed and waste half of my season ticket not going like last season.

 

My apologies, I should have checked before jumping in with both feet, but the point I was making is still valid

 

I'm not saying that, if everything clicks into place, then a push for promotion is impossible but, given the season we've just had, the players that will leave and the lack of cash then just staying on an even keel is more than acceptable.
Anyone thinking the minimum acceptable is promotion or play offs is on the happy juice.

 

I’ve gone for Top 10. With the financial shortfall of being relegated and needing to trim the squad, MD will obviously need time to assess and shape the team. Yes, he’ll have the preseason games but for me, that’s just more to get the fitnesses levels up. He needs to judge who can cut it when the season starts in earnest. There will be some tough games in this league, it’ll be no cake wake that’s for sure.

 

Stendel had arguably the best 2 strikers in the league, a midfield tornado in Mowatt and Lindsay and Pinnock.

As Woodrow has gone, and little chance anyway he’d have repeated that performance, theres a chance that we keep Helik and Mads, and Morris, then we’re still a genius midfielder and a top striker away from that team.
Likely we need defender too.

if the best skipper we have at the start of the season is Britain, then we’re pretty much mid table at best.

I’m hopeful rather than confidant

 

Agreed. Morris fit for the entire season would bag us 25 goals I reckon.

 

People saying top 2 give over. Our squad is relatively poor still loads of deadwood. Give duff time 10 ten for me at a push play offs.

 

I agree he had a great strick force and the best ball playing center back in the league in pinnock. This squad is miles apart from that one.

 

I've said playoffs, if we font make the playoffs then I think it will have been a poor season and Duff and Khaled have not given it enough.

Some have said promotion or that's it and some will be happy staying just out of the bottom 4, two extremes the lower isn't good enough for me and not accepting anything less than promotion is also a bit harsh.

If we make the playoffs then we have won a few games and going in the right direction to have faith in those running things. Anything less then it will get tougher. Not sure I want a few seasons languishing in the bottom half of league 1 and I think our squad without Morris Helik Styles is still good enough to better that.

 

a good recognisable style of football and 90+ minutes of balls to the wall effort

 

Just to try and offer a bit of balance on why success may not be the play-offs but reestablishing the club on a better financial footing and an improving playing squad.

We go in to this season with, by Barnsley standards, a large financial hole which Neerav has been clear needs the sale of a number of players. Duff has been clear that there won’t be a fire sale but in reality that is exactly what is going to happen. Nobody ever says to potential purchasers that they are having to clear out players to survive but that is the current situation.

Duff is going to have to get the best out of the current squad minus the inevitable departures plus a few free transfers that can augment the squad and provide cover for the departures.

If he can blend all that together and show improvement over the season then I think he will have done a good job. The likelihood is that our budget will be closer to mid table than promotion chasing. Any out performance of that this year should, in rational terms, be considered a success.

I want us to win the league at a canter but accept this year is very much a rebuild. I hope for success but understand the constraints.

 

I’m not sure it’s ‘acceptable’ per se but with departures lined up and current recruitment you’d have is mid table ish. Depends who we get up front when Morris goes. I don’t see a lot of goals in our prospective line up and as Peterborough have shown you don’t need to be a good team to get out of l1 but need to have a team full of goals.

 

I'm fairly confident Helik, Styles and Morris will be sold. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Andersen went too, although I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed, where as I would be shocked if any of Helik, Styles or Morris are here in September. And if we get a cash offer for anyone else we'll sell those too.

I don't know what that will mean in terms of league position as I don't know the quality of the players we've brought in, and may still bring in, and I don't know how much extra the manager can add. Of the players left from last season, if we sell the players I believe we'll sell, it looks like a squad that would need to fight to prevent relegation and they don't have any fight in them.

 

Question is what will you accept next season as a final league position without wanting Duff Khaled Neerav out as we wanted Lee Conway and Schopp Poya out.

Would the crowd turn on those in charge if we finish mid table? Would we boo every home game we dont win or if the matchday entertainment is better, we can buy a pie and pint without too much trouble, the pidgeon **** is cleaned up and as llong as they are putting enough effort in on the pitch as we may not have the budget to compete at the top end of league 1 then thats enough?

Id clean the pigeon **** off my own chair to get in the playoffs. Its what is important and what we will accept.

 

However bad last season was, and it was bad. Without going all S6 there’s some absolute toss in league one, with about 6-7 decent sized clubs, including us- we should be aiming for top 6 - Ipswich/dee dahs/ Sunderland/ Portsmouth/Barnsley/Bolton/Derby.

 

We won't be top 6 without a different forward threat to last season. And probably not top 10.

 

Sadly, I can't attend next season for personal reasons, so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to comment. However, if I am, I'd say it's impossible to judge accurately how the campaign will pan out. We don't know how Michael Duff will perform (personally, I think/hope he'll do well), which players will move on, which players will be brought in, how long it'll take for the players to take on board what Duff wants, how the attitude of the players will be affected with the new Head Coach's style (something that Daniel Stendel was brilliant at back in 2018). It may well be an evolution, rather than revolution. If that's the case, patience may well be needed (similar to 1979/80, when Allan Clarke rebuilt the 1978/79 promotion winning team).
I'm pleased with the appointment of Michael Duff and am willing to give him time to make his mark on the club, without setting unilateral, arbitrary objectives.

 

For me. This season is about improving the financial position of the club, getting rid of as much deadwood as possible, bringing on academy lads, rediscovering an identity, playing some decent stuff and seeing players improve within that.

If the above is achieved or looking on course I’d take mid table. Living in hope of an attack on at least the playoffs in season 2.

The likes of Ipswich, Portsmouth, Charlton didn’t even make the play offs last season. It’s a far tougher league than it’s ever been.

 

I don't really know what 'accept' entails. I've accepted everything life has chucked so far as I've neither killed anyone else or myself. I'm sure I'll briefly moan when we play crap and cheer when we play well. If we're relegated on zero points, conceding 1,000 goals and not scoring any, I'll still watch us again in future, health permitting. I've had the opinion that managers should be told where to go in the past, but I've never chanted as such or addressed anyone with the power to do anything about that and demanded they make a dismissal. So, I guess I'll accept absolutely anything, because I don't believe accepting things, or not, is part of being a fan of a football club.

I don't accept this!

Ok, what you going to do?

Nothing.

 

Charlton are a decent sized club aswell to be fair.