When did the rot set in?

Another quick visit...

...then nip back to your chums on Tykesmad to pull this site to bits as before no doubt.

 

Really?

 

RE: Another quick visit...

Pontyender, I never said anything derogatory about this site when I went on Tykesmad - if anything I stated that there was a lot of negativity towards what people were planning so it would be a good idea to can it. How is that pulling you to bits?

 

Are you sure, were you not the person who started the standing ovation for both Patrick Cryne and Simon Davey after the meeting at East Dene.

Was it not you who asked all the questions raised from the tykesmad community. You seemed happy with what you heard at the meeting when PC and SD explained things, or is it because the club have not responded to your request to publish a summary.

I cannot for the life of me see what the point is of demonstrating surely we need to get behind the team at the moment and help to turn round the results. Whatever happened to fortress Oakwell, its more like morgue oakwell these days. Okay the football is maybe not perfect but lets see what happens when we have a fit Colace giving us the steel in midfield that we have been missing this season.

 

Owen, I was happy after the meeting and I also got a season ticket this season. There was nothing to be worried about at that time with the way they had performed pre-season. BUT the recent league form shows that we are going to struggle yet again and it has carried on from last season.
For the umpteenth time I will say there is not going to be a demonstration on Saturday - I was NOT responsible in any way in organising it but I took on board what was said and fed it back to the organisers. The decision was made to not go ahead with it.
This has nothing to do with not publishing a summary - this has everything to do with what is happening on the field of play. I agree with the lack of atmosphere at Oakwell and, from my point of view, it is a fear that we will lose. If the team go behind they just don't seem to be able to pull it back. We cannot get rid of all the players so one man has to take responsibility and that man is Simon Davey. He has been given more money and more time than any other recent manager to get it right yet still cannot produce it when it matters.

 

ever consider the players have a fear of making a mistake becuase the fans are on the backs from the off? And Owen was right.

 

D/T when have the fans ever got on the players backs straight away?

 

the majorty of the home games i went to last season, you could cut the tension with a knife. Excluding the Derby games, The only time i actually heard the ground in full sway totally behind the team was Wolves at home.

 

The rot set in when Darren Barnard missed the penalty at Wembley

Bassett totally lost the plot in the summer and we lost key players to be replaced by dross. Things got worse when we appointed Spackman and arguably even worse with the arrival of Parkin. We were relegated and then entered administration. Talk about being in the ****. We somehow avoided another relegation, had two failed takeovers and found ourselves in even more debt.

In came Gudjon and then Ridsdale and things showed signs of improvement with us finally getting the golden share from the league, but it was to be short lived. Gudjon was sacked too soon, the charmless Hart brought us **** all and Ridsdale's money ran out.

Cryne got rid of Ridsdale and installed Shepherd as chairman who in turn promoted Ritchie to manager. We won promotion and have since lived life back where we belong with another change of manager and Cryne taking on a more hands on role.

So, in summary, the rot set in almost ten years ago and we got out of it when Mr Cryne finally got hold of the club. How you can call continued championship status and an unforgettable cup run a rot is completely beyond me.

 

RE: Sir Alex didn't exactly set Man U alight in his first few seasons did he?

When Danny Wilson took over from Viv Anderson we were threatened by relegation and nobody wanted him to get the job. He answered the critics in the only appropriate fashion - on the pitch. We made an immediate improvement under him and he never had us threatened by relegation during his time here.

I couldn't give much of stuff about Alex Ferguson - although it is fair to say that the comparison is flawed. Ferguson was 'nearly sacked' as the legend goes, because he wasn't winning silverware. Fergie never had Man United ninety minutes away from relegation.

The truth is that Davey did remarkably well to keep us up the season he came in - but since then he has registered no meaningful improvement. He has had time to build and improve, and there has been every opportunity for us to see the difference - but guess what? We haven't.

Even when we got our win against Reading we did all the same old things - managed to kill the first half, scored second, fell back to defend for the rest of the game, last ten minutes just laying back and taking it until we inevitably conceed a late equaliser. Lucky to get a last gasp penalty to win it. Same old story for Simon Davey.

Time for a change I'm fraid. And let's cut the four games rubbish please.

 

RE: The rot set in when Darren Barnard missed the penalty at Wembley

(clap)

 

RE: The rot set in when Darren Barnard missed the penalty at Wembley

I disagree re. Hart. The football under Gudjan had become dire. In the first matches Hart changed the team around and we started playing football. He also instigated most of the signings from which Ritchie benefitted.

 

Completely disagree.

You've got to remember that Gudjon had basically worked with what he'd been given - he had to sign players on month-month contracts the week before the first game of the season and only had one pre-season game 'cos of Admin.

We started losing it that year when Gorre was injured and we sold Fallon. We had a bad run and rather than sticking with the man that had got us into the play off positions with nothing to work with, Ridsdale & Cryne came in and wanted their own man.

One of the bigger mistakes we've made recently, IMHO.

 

Hart was given a clean sheet to start with by Ridsdale and

allowed to bring in nearly a whole new team. This is when Ridsdale left after we'd used the seasons budget by Christmas wasn't it?</p>

Ritchie brought in Howard, Devaney and Hayes from the lower leagues which added more quality to the squad on a tight budget.</p>

 

A bit later than that, IMHO.

When Richard Wright saved that header from Hristov. All down hill from there.

 

That's a difficult question

Depends what you mean.

We've been at a constant level of just surviving in this division since Simon Davey took over, so there's not been a rot set in during his time here that you can pinpoint - which is clearly what you're getting at.

I'd be inclined to agree with Jay - it's been downhill (a rot if you like) since Wembley 2000 apart from the promotion back to this level and the FA Cup run.

 

They were 3 of our key players too

Didn't he bring in Richards too who did well?

 

RE: Sir Alex didn't exactly set Man U alight in his first few seasons did he?

&quot;Never threatened us with relegation durin g his time here&quot; referring to Danny Wilson. I seem to remember being relegated under Wilson at Leicester

 

RE: That's a difficult question

Whilst I agree losing to Ipswich at Wembley was disatrous I believe the real rot set in when we sacked Ritchie and appointed Davey.

Im not saying Ritchie had the capability to keep us in the championship but his sacking led to the appointment of Davey.

He was appointed after a 3-0 home defeat this pretty much set the tone for his tenure. The wins against Liverpool and Chelsea kept him in a job. We have flirted with relegation every season he's been in charge, usually going to the final weekend of the season.

Arguably Daveys had more budget than anyone since Bassett left, hes assembled his own squad and despite Cryne saying he wanted mid table finishes and continual improvement Daveys never delivered.

Thats where the rot set in.

 

He did and more importantly

he got rid of Tom Williams.