Where does Stendel rank in our all time best managers?

Pinnock couldn't get in the side last season he was behind McDonald, Lindsay and Jackson when morais was here he didn't play him either.

Woodrow wasn't here last season he was in Fulhams u23s as far as I know.

And yeah Davies played here but he was dropped by both managers at one point.

This season's team didn't gel together on the field last season was my point which is true.

 

Pretty sure Pinnock was injured early doors. Woodrow was playing in the Championship. Without looking I'm going to say Davis played 40 games last season.

 

Pinnock broke his toe mid season he made 12 appearances if you look at dates he never had a run of games, under 2 managers would you call that a regular?

So Woodrow was here last season? News to me.

My point was this team didn't gel last season because they play 0 games together as a team. Am I wrong?

 

You are missing the bigger point that they were around the club being trained in the way we want to play and being given time to improve via loans and by the time Daniel took over he inherited a talented (at L1 level) team who were relatively settled. Potts and Bradshaw were here at the start of the season offering continuity and experience. Daniel inherited a team. He has got them playing in an exciting way probably the best football other than a 6 month window under hecky since Bassett. let’s just enjoy that rather than flooding over the top with praise or criticism. Onwards and upwards.

 

He was certainly not supported well in the championship, but that could be said of Hecky, Robins, Hill, etc

Ritchie BTW, think you are confusing him with Lionel.

 

Mowatt, Woodrow, Dougall & Davies I think will do OK, although I think the latter will leave.

Brown should continue to improve too & Moore may do better than previously, but that remains to be seen.

Not sure re Cavare, Pinillos & McGeehan. Need full backs to be defensively strong & pacey. Think Jordan Williams might do better in some ways.

We'd certainly need 2 more strikers & better wide options.

 

Barnes did well but was pretty inconsistent. Any old posts on here will show how good Williams was as he was up for man of the match most weeks like Mowatt & Pinnock have been this season.

Him & Gardner only played together a handful of times & then Williams went back to Everton with a back injury that put him out for the season. It seems likely that he’d been carrying the injury for a while as he went from our best player to our worst almost over night

 

Many could take the step up and I’m sure at least one will surprise. Mowatt’s lack of pace may hold him back and I don’t see Keiffer changing but we will see

 

No I’m talking as if many were at the club, got to know each other & this time round had a full pre-season together.

Also others who’ve featured heavily were here last or part of last season too such as Moore, Cavare, Potts & Moncur.

 

Many could take the step up and I’m sure at least one will surprise. Mowatt’s lack of pace may hold him back and I don’t see Keiffer changing but we will see

 

Getting trained in the way we want to play? I'm not sure of heckys style of football last season or what morais was playing at but i think it's diffrent to stendel. He has had to implement a new style of football on these players.

Williams,brown,mcgeehan,mowatt,bahre and Woodrow weren't training with the 1st team last season that's over half of last games starting 11. ( that's fact not my opinion)

I'm not giving over the top critsism I just think he has done a good job under the circumstances having players sold, injurys, his assistant leaving ect hopefully he gets chance to see what he can do with this side in the championship we will see. Enjoy Saturday UTR

 

Didn’t Thiam play as a lone striker on only 2 occasions? And both were around busy periods when Bradshaw needed a rest.

And didn’t Thiam have to be used as a forward as we didn’t get the McBurnie deal through & only had Bradshaw & the useless Ugbo? Or is history been rewritten & we had a load of strikers I’ve forgot about?

 

I’m not trying to rewrite anything. I could be misremembering, so my apologies if that’s the case. I just think there was 9 players (anyone but Davies) that should have played as a lone striker before Thiam. He’s not suited to that role in any way, shape or form and it says a lot about a manager that looks at Thiam and says “yep. Lone Striker against Sheffield Wednesday” - inept.

Thiam was decent under Morais (who was a lot more inept than hecky, for the record.), when he played him on the wing opposite McBurnie, with Keef in the middle.

Hecky was too busy complaining that players were being bought and sold without his knowledge, while in the next interview saying that he’s too busy being CEO and looking after transfers, that he hasn’t got time to be a coach.

 

What it says is that we were left with only two natural forwards one of which was Ugbo & Thiam was the closest other player in the squad to a striker. As hard as Bradshaw worked he couldn’t possibly play every single game as a lone striker especially when the schedule got busy.

So you’d play all of Lindsay, Jackson, Yiadom, Fryers, Moncur, Potts, Joe Williams & Barnes as lone strikers over Thiam yet you’re calling Hecky inept? If he played any of them except possibly Barnes as a lone striker he’d have everyone on Twitter & forums saying he’d lost the plot

 

Why is Moncur or Potts any more insane than Thiam?

Genuine question, I would play either of those before Thiam as a lone striker.

(And yes, I was being Hyperbolic, but I think playing a Center Half as a striker is less insane than Thiam. None of Thiam’s qualities match that of a lone striker. At least Lindsay and Jackson are tall. For the record, I think playing either of those as a lone striker is also completely insane.)

 

Well Thiam’s strong, quick, can beat a man & can shoot which puts him ahead of any of the others.

No one was ideal which is why we signed McBurnie & Moore in January but I don’t think it’s fair to criticise playing Thiam when there were so few other options

 

One or two sticky periods during the season but the development of individual players 5 in PFA league 1 team and the development of an exciting young team are strong positives for a manager largely unknown before last summer, Everyone players management and supporters has earned another crack at the Championship . What ever happens in the rest of the season there is full commitment and belief throughout the club.

 

For me, Daniel is a legend after tonight and one of our greatest. That's how I felt when the question was first posed, but needed our promotion to become a reality.
I don't see the point in debating 'GOAT', but he's just up there with our best ever after this season.

 

Stendel #1

 

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