Which Way Now?

Re: I think you have over elaborated a touch there

And the prize for the best and most succint summation of the matter at hand so far goes to Bright Red.

 

did anyone watch the documentary 'The Flaw' on 4 i think the other week?

described how capitalism only works when the wealth created is redistributed amongst the people. the last 30 years have seen the polarisation of wealth extend out of control. one figure they used was that the top 15,000 'earners' in the US rake in the equivalent of half the GDP of Brazil - $700bn!

these people don't put money back into the economy, they invest it in assets to protect their own wealth. this in turn contributes to the stagnation of economies and as per it's the poorer that bear the brunt. in the case of the US we're talking trillions not billions being taking out of the pockets of the general population each year due to a poorly regulated free market capitalist system.

 

You're bang on the nail there RLRed, the redistribution of wealth upwards started 30 years or so ago and it saddens me that people like Red West seem to think it's pathetic that some of us remember our recent history and its cause and effect. It's only a fool who refuses to acknowledge and learn from history.

 

Are all the moderators on this site in the Paras..........thats Paragraph Regiment ?

 

On the contrary I think it's vital to both know and learn from our history, I just find it sad that so many put so much effort into despising (and making sure everyone else knows how much they despise) Thatcher rather than putting it to better use getting up an on in spite of what she did to the town.

Anyway, the free market works providing those within it don't behave like selfish greedy sh*ts. Unfortunately the greed, sense of entitlement, and selfishness that permeates every corner of our society is to blame for the current situation, and I would argue that this is the direct result of the ever increasing liberalisation of our society over the past 50years, which has in turn destroyed any sense of responsibility and social awareness (ironically due in part to successive generations of kids being taught less and less about our history and culture). So forget Thatcher, and blame the liberal agenda, to which all the main party heirarchies are fully signed up members.

The big question is what are we really prepared to do about it?

 

anybody want to join us when wicked witch pops, theres a load of us from thurnscoe, gt houghton,goldthorpe,darfield etc.
we'r all meeting in weatherspoons on the glorious day should be a good laugh.

 

of all the contemptuous remarks.
a certain poster who's name shall not pass on to my posts states that its not the fault of all the greedy greedy bankers' chief execs, speculators or bosses that have lined their pockets to record avarice of trillions and now don't want to give anything back to our society.
no not at all according to this poster its the fault of the teachers,binmen,the unemployed and our good for nothing children etc etc.
and tells us we must not besmirch the champion of all this destruction of the peoples society.


on yer bike.

 

Oh goodness me, he calls me pathetic for remembering what Thatcher started 30 years ago and is still happening, then goes on to blame it on the liberalisation of the country that started 50 years ago. Just because we choose to remember a very painfull period of our local history doesn't mean we haven't ''got up and got on'' I know of a lot of people that have actually improved their lot and still hate Thatcher as much now, some even more than they did then.

 

Might have known you'd crawl out of the woodwork when I posted again. I also note you've once again failed to understand the point I'm making. You remember when I said you were too stupid to argue with..............

 

tbh i don't usually answer his posts now as he quotes certain parts of the point and turns it into something quite alien to the point i'd made and makes the debate to favour his replies.
the bloke/girl is a moron.debated with loads on here with different opinios to mine but he is just undebatable.

 

I'll tell them to make sure there's plenty of crayons on the tables that day if you're going to be in.

 

Thats right hurl insults, that actually says more about you that me. I DON'T CRAWL OUT OF ANYWHERE YOUNG MAN. I stand up and fight for my principles and refuse to cow tow to right wing bully boys, I am now retired but I am proud of the fact that I stood up and fought my corner against bully boy managers. If any one is stupid it is you for swallowing all the **** that our politicians feed us. Just answer one question, in her tenure did Thatcher cause the downfall of this and other industrial towns.

 

'tbh i don't usually answer his posts now as he quotes certain parts of the point and turns it into something quite alien to the point i'd made and makes the debate to favour his replies.'

Oh the irony.

 

If you'd just check the thread you'd see that was a response to my forum stalker Marlon.

 

Right, it appeared directly after mine so I thought it was directed at me, but I would still like you to answer my question because I like to try and find out what people are thinking when they make statements like you have.

 

In answer to your question I would say that it's far too simplistic to say Thatcher's policies alone ultimately caused the downfall of this and other industrial towns, as there are other factors to consider such as globalisation, and demand for the industries in question, before we even start to look at the social factors. However, I believe I've said on this forum before that I think Thatcher's policies were disastrous for this and other industrial communities, and I would add that I have never defended her politics, although you're more than welcome to trawl through all my previous posts to check for yourself.

 

Exactly the same for the LGPS. The fund is so well off we could stop contributing and it would still be able to pay out for about 20 years. The fund also helps the economy by investing. But you try telling that to the politicians who want their pound of flesh to pay off what their bum chum banker mates lost, and the fools who have bought into this 'gold plated public pensions' nonsense that the media keep banging on about, lumping them all in to the same pot. My annual pension will be about 1/3 of my final salary, and I will need to draw my pension for at least 10 years before I get out what I have put in. Gold plated my backside. There really is some ****e believed about these pensions.

 

Get out of the EU

Should save us a few bob.

Out Out Out!

 

see what i mean t'owd man. he's not worth engaging.you know as i do thatchers policies were to promote globalisation but a certain poster tries to seperate it. and social policies were because of thatcher.and the benefits culture was endorsed by her and her govt to close industries.

 

I don't think I've ever said that you defended her politics, if you get that impression then I apologise, It's just that I am inquisitive as to why people think it's wrong and even embarrassing and pathetic to dislike some one who oversaw the start of what became and still is an attack on the ordinary people of this country. Under Dave and his cronies that attack will get even nastier. They announced the other day that they will bring in more anti union laws, which is a lesson they learned from Thatcher, thats what I mean about learning from history, he is making these decisions with the benifit of history from his party. The working class people of this country must also learn from that period of history to see what it means to them and how it will effect them.
You cannot compete in a global market if you have no ammunition to compete in it and as far as industrial demand is concerned there was demand for coal before she rigged the markets in favour of gas, there was demand for steel but she removed subsidies from our steel industry whilst our foreign competitors were recieving bigger and bigger subsidies from their respective governments creating an uneven playing field. As for social factors, if you cannot see that high and sustained unemployment is a root cause (among others) of social decline then you are blinkered. Thatcher encouraged the ''dole ''office to switch people onto incapacity benifits to massage the unemployment figures, thereby creating the benifit culture that is now of epidemic proportions because none of the subsequent governments wanted to tackle it. You are quite correct when you say that Thatcher isn't totaly to blame for all our ills, but by god she started it with a vengance and her heirs are carrying it foreward.