While you enjoy ...

DHSC don’t write the law, that’s the government’s job.

 

Ah, you support the covid passport by stealth technique. Fair does

 

I've no interest in pubs or other venues which would require a vaccine passport. If one is required to stay in a hotel in this country, I'd probably go along with that. If they are required to travel abroad I'd see that as an acceptable and proportionate requirement.

 

I don’t think your age has anything to do with it.

 

So economic interest Trump's public health Ben? Seriously? And how is it scorn to enquire what peoples' motives are? It's a legitimate enquiry to understand where they are coming from. Lots of industries have suffered - but economic damage is repairable. Loss of life is not. The government is advised by the medical and scientific community - that's good enough for me. What's wrong with having a drink at home? It's probably a better choice, a cheaper price and more pleasant surroundings. Keep it locked down until we've beaten this thing, I say. Others will have their own view, which is fair enough.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14540027/boris-johnson-ditches-vaccine-passport-pubs/

That's something I suppose.

 

But you're supporting a two tier life where the vaccinated elderly have more freedoms than the healthy young

 

can you or anyone else provide event shred of evidence that hospitality is a main driver of covid infections?

I can find evidence that the shops which are allowed to open drive infections. That the schools that are allowed to open drive infections. That the care homes which are allowed visitors not only drive infections but are the biggest source of deaths. But I can't find any to show that hospitality is a significant driver of infections.

We aren't following any science, all we are following is a warped ideology by elitest scum who clearly look down at a section of society

 

Frankly all I can say is there are a lot of thick ******** out there and on this board who think there's no difference between this..



And this...



And seem to think if it serves alcohol or even food then it MUST all be the same. The same people have however managed to seperate various different kinds of shops

 

Masks were made mandatory and signalled the end of social distancing in supermarkets?

 

Masks havent made a jot of difference in the real world.

We've had two 'waves' and two 'lockdowns' since they we're forced on the whole population.

I'm confused why people still believe they are so important to be honest

 

In an ideal world they're brilliant. Scientifically they work and in a lab they work, in a hospital they work. Where they don't work is when Karen and Richard put the same one on over and over stuffing it back in their pocket between uses, constantly adjusts it and touches it and has a false sense of security with it on and abandons all social distancing because they feel invincible.

 

Quite apart from what Loko says about pubs providing a community service, I'm afraid that your "economic damage is repairable" comment demonstrates the main issue which Sacha Lord is fighting. The hospitality sector isn't a single block of waiters, waitresses and bar staff. It's a series of very small businesses which all employ individuals and whose owners are pretty much all on their knees at the moment. If they close down they won't come back - the bones of them or the building that they occupy might get bought up eventually, but that is very much not the same thing.

To be fair to him, Sacha Lord (along with most of the industry) have always said that venues should either be able to open or be properly compensated. Personally I have no problem with pubs and bars being closed for public safety, but rent needs to be covered, or landlords need to be informed that they shouldn't expect rent, and loan repayments need to either be suspended or paid by the government in full.

 

This is sensible. I'm also in full support of hospitality being closed and 'the map' as it is, because I see public safety as paramount, but completely agree that funding should exist for small businesses in that sector who are hamstrung as a result of it (rather than spunking money on test & trace or buying PPE off Hancock's mates or Priti Patel's eyebrow company).

 

Do you support non essential shops opening without any way to track who is in there long before a restaurant is allowed to open with records of every customer?

 

Where's my bl00dy jab, eh?

 

At some point it does. A life is not worth an infinite amount of money. It's difficult to think in those terms but the government has to weigh up lives against economic benefit/damage. It does it all the time with policies regardless of covid.