Why is it that the most vocal brexiteers are also most against Scottish independence

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  1. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

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    I think there’s a technical term for those who run the ‘once in a lifetime’ line to describe the right of a people to vote on its future. ‘Berk’ I think it is! The idea that you get ‘one chance’ to decide your intentions is an interesting one. Maybe it’s something that should be applied to all elections/referenda.

    As a supposed student of history I’m a tad surprised Johnson Johnson himself has run the line. Their are plenty of historical examples of what happens when you deny a people the ‘democratic’ right to determine their future. It doesn’t usually end well.
     
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    You might be right but I was only quoting Nicola Sturgeon’s own words.
     
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    They don't see the UK as a "union of equals" - so their opinion can and will always be overridden by the English (the same applies to the Welsh and N Irish too but those weren't countries that joined the UK - even if Ireland was). They do continually see their democratically expressed wishes overruled by a government based hundreds of miles away full of unelected bureaucrats (Lord Frost, Lord Goldsmith) with no real opportunity for any say in the future of their own country - and the leaders of that government keep doing lots of "stunts" designed to grow support for union but just seem to build support for independence....
     
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    Genuine question as asking mainly to educate myself more than anything. Isn’t the clamour for Independence declining based on the most recent polls? Or is it more that the majority want independence still, just don’t want the SNP to be the ones leading them through it?
     
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    It wasn't Sturgeon - it was a Scottish government leaflet produced when Alex Salmond was First Minister. Sturgeon didn't take power until 2 months after the referendum.
     
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    Fair enough that. Thanks
     
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    Arabian Ian would probably be best to answer this, but my understanding is that both the SNP, Alba and Scottish Greens support Independence and received the majority of the votes/seats in the last Scottish election. IIRC most opinion polls since 2016 have shown a majority for independence - typically in the younger demographics.
     
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    Although to be fair, she still said it numerous times and was campaigning on that message. So still a valid comment.
     
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    I just thought with all the recent stats coming out of Scotland on various health and drug measures, which have been catastrophic to be fair, that opinion was swaying and certain polls reflected this. Although as with all polls you can get it to tell whichever story it is you’re trying to write.
     
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    Didn't see this. Not sure how old you are but among most of my "elders" there are always the ones who are vocal along the lines of "we were doing OK as a United Kingdom post-war until we joined Europe in '73" .......

    (I was 7 in 73).

    They are the ones I was referring to, and it is guesswork on my part. Seems a common train of thought though in the elderly.
     
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    what's it to do with him ? :D:D
     
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    You’re correct they were his titles, but it’s much more complicated than that.
     
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    Drug policy isn't devolved. Its reserved for central government - and indeed England and Wales both recorded increases this year. I have read that the Scottish government has some options it wants to try but is being blocked by Westminster (although I can't recall what they are).
     
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