Winter Fuel Vote

I wonder who would be voted in if that happened?

 

Yes, it's ok to steal £199 goods from a corner shop=no penalty but make a sound about migrants and you're in Wakey prison for 2 years-bonkers, the country has actually gone mad.

 

That's not true though is it

 

By make a sound about migrants,do you mean trying to burn them to death ?

 

But that's absolutely the point, everybody's vote should count, even a racist's.

 

Disagree entirely. A racists attempt to vote in a racist should count for no more than a paedophile who attempts to get Gary glitter into parliament.

PR in theory is great but it can't happen until we absolutely tighten up the rules on what is allowed to stand as a potential MP.

 

It's just what i read on Gov. Website i don't know about being over 80 .

 

2024 Election

1st number Party Proportional Representation (AMS) 2nd number First Past the Post Impact of FPTP

Labour 236 411
Liberal Democrats 77 72
Green Party 42 4
Scottish National Party 18 9
Plaid Cymru 4 4
Reform UK 94 5
Conservative 157 121
Northern Ireland 18 18
Other (including speaker) 4 6

(PR in 2024 would have resulted in a hung Parliament - Greens would have had 42 seats - Reform 94)

 

We were getting the pension rise anyway, you talk out of the top of your hat , i remember starmer 'promising' when i get in we will increase personal allowance, but that has not materialised , but i do see top wage earners getting significant rises and some are still going to strike. There is swings and roundabouts in every political party. But starmer is just a horrible person

 

When did he promise to increase personal allowance?

They've been in two months. Part of that has been summer recess. They are about to break for conference season. You need parliamentary time to announce bills, debate and pass the various stages. He's not a president that can decide things on the hoof.

You had your pension rise last year which was significant, and you're getting another. I believe the newly increased energy bills are still lower than last year and much lower than 2 years prior.

You think Starmer is a horrible person, yet Farridge is it be lauded? I think you need to give your head a wobble.

 

I haven't mentioned farage you have mentioned him all i have mentioned is reform as a party not a person, you are picking my words for me, and the personal allowance mention was in one of his tv appearances before the election, labourites now cannot even remember him saying pensioners to pay 8 % national insurance. I have paid national insurance from 16 years old upto 65 and now i am in my mid seventies probably having to pay it again i am already paying income tax which yes i know was started under the last government, but it is not right,

 

I suggest you read the manifesto. It's being pointed out multiple times that you've got your wires crossed, on multiple points. I suggest you go and research what you think you heard to what has actually been pledged.

I didn't vote Labour, in case you missed it.

 

I've never said people shoudnt have a reasonable existence if they are unable to work - it is those who are able to work but choose not (and to their full capacity/capability) to because of the benefits available and the trade off it gives them - It could be simplified - get them working 40 hours a week taking the pressure off public services! What has been overlooked is that alot of pensioners help the public sector voluntarily and save them millions on employed labour (not to mention gold plated pension and sick pay perks) - the voluntary labour will be withdrawn - every action has a consequence.

I think you underestimate the amount of work / responsibility / sacrifices someone earning £100000 (as an example) would make compared to someone earning 5 times less. That view is a very left one

 

You read them , i know a good person from a bad and believe you me starmer is bad

 

I don't think it's very left, I think it's very realistic. I earn a high wage and consider that my life would be so much more stressful if I was on £20k.

 

I did before the election.

And sorry, but if you're going to make random stuff up, no, I'm not going to believe you or accept your preconceived judgements.

 

They are one and the same, Farage is Reform, Reform is Farage

 

To take from the rich and give to the poorer off is a left wing political view. To earn a low income can also be by choice - ie an unwillingness to do more than the minimum required, to not do extra qualifications to progress up the career ladder, to rely on benefit top ups to make ends meet - but again this can be by choice (I'm not saying in every case). So to a large degree is by choice

As part of you earning what you earn, compared to someone earning less in a different role , you will likely have a higher workload, more responsibility and on occasions less time at home.

To get by on a low income in this day and age cannot be easy compared to someone earning 5 times the wage etc - which I get, however this could be by choice or a lack of willingness to make sacrifices and this lack of willingness should not have to be supported by pensioners who have already paid their dues or people that are willing to make those sacrifices to have a better standard of living. I am self employed and for me the solutions is simple - if I want to earn more money I have to sell more product - some people dont think this way, some think it is the states job to get more money in as opposed to doing a second job, working extra hours etc.

 

Sorry, you know what to do then

 

Have you met him?