With a massive labour shortage in the country at the moment

You shoulda quit while you still had a modicum of logic left in your argument.

In reality from a carer perspective it doesn’t matter how many of the kids are disabled, she can only get one lot of carers allowance.

And in support of your argument, certainly one disabled kid is easier to care for than 3, but frankly it still doesn’t equate to ‘money for nothing’. As someone else pointed out, if we weren’t paying her carers allowance we’d be paying someone else an awful lot more money.

 

Maybe not for your position but people do do that.

 

Will it not impact on their benefits if they continue refuse to turn up to the interviews or simply say they have changed their mind? I thought you had to have a reasonable excuse not to take the job.

 

Oh I'm sure they do and I can completely understand them doing that short term (whether they should or not is a different matter) but in the cases in talking about it's definitely not the case, they're just people who simply don't want work

 

Not from what I can tell because there's no way to shop them for not turning up

 

Absolutely not. You’re thinking of two people both working with no kids with two incomes meaning cost of rent etc. is halved. Genuine question, have you seen the cost of childcare? Have two kids in wrap around care all week and that’s more than a full person’s wage. So now/your partner’s minimum wage would be back to being the same as a single person’s again in terms of paying mortgage etc. but you’ve also got the additional expense of kids. Child benefits are a thing but I really think you are underestimating how much kids cost and you’ve made no mention to people who have to look after their ageing parents too and the expense that brings. You can’t compare yourself to someone else, for all you know the guy you mentioned’s holidays are paid on credit card each time and he’s got debt coming out of his eyeballs. I was shocked when I talked to people at work (all on teacher’s wages too) who have insane levels of debt that they pay a bit off each month and keep building and building.

 

The way I see it JV is that even after the courage of Kinnock's conference speech it still took another twelve years for the public to trust Labour enough to return them to power. God forbid that we should have to endure another twelve-year stint if Sir Keir is brave enough to call out the left and the pro-Corbyn agitators next week.

I know (and respect) that you see that slice of history differently.

 

Don't know where to start with this. Man, you're all over the place.

 

The guy I work with has never had a credit card in his life as he doesn't believe in going into debt for luxuries. He saves up and buys when he's got enough.

Obviously I can't talk about every single person with every different possibility but I can say that generally speaking it's more expensive to live alone and I can also say with absolute certainty that people in our area are single parents living on minimum wage. The myth that minimum wage isn't enough around here is just wrong.

 

I can understand there being no way to stop them but it was my understanding that if an individual was able to do the jobs offered but continued to fail to turn up to interviews and/or refusing positions then they wouldn't meet the criteria to claim benefits. As they wouldn't be actively seeking work. I may be wrong, I don't have a lot of experience in this area.

 

Putting our future baby (due Feb) into nursery for two days is going to cost us £500 a month alone. Anyone on minimum wage can't afford that.

 

Congratulations TM.

 

Now do two kids for 5 days so you can both work full time. It’s absolutely insane and needs regulating.

Congratulations for Feb!

 

I think you're right but how would the job centre know they've been offered a position or that they didn't attend an interview? If there was a way to report back to the job centre that an applicant didn't turn up then it would cut the problem in half overnight in my opinion but at the moment I don't think there's any way of reporting back.

 

Whilst there is a tiny minority who, it could be argued have been less than responsible in life choices and, as a result put a burden on the State and taxpayers, a distinction must be made between ..

A) a single parent who, is left to care for one to or three kids when circumstances, e.g. death of a partner, illness or disability 'out of the blue', breakup of relationship or losing a well paid job meaning he/she becomes reliant on the Benefits system as opposed to ..
B) someone who has, never had a stable relationship, a job and yet has managed to have 3, 4 or 5 kids and is, and always has been totally reliant on benefits to support them.

Most sensible people would argue that responsible people get less benefits than they need, in part, due to, again I stress, a very small but 'costly' minority who put a disproportionate strain on the welfare budget. Multigenerational families living in Council accommodation none of whom have ever been in gainful employment DO exist. It is naive to argue otherwise. In any case, kids on both sides of that particular argument should be looked after and not treated as political pawns. There is no short term fix, but the education system (or lack of) clearly has some blame attached. Most of those who are labelled as ' benefit scroungers' (rightly or wrongly) tend to come from poor or deprived backgrounds living in areas in decline and sink estates. It often becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

I sometimes wonder how long before the phenomenon of 'gated communities' as is common in the more affluent areas of American cities finds its way to to UK shores.

 

Ha, ha I’m not even sure where to begin with this.

I’ve never made a comment either way about a Carers allowance and allocation, so why is this relevant to you assuming all the kids are disabled?
Equally when have I ever used the phrase or anything close to ‘money for nothing’?

 

Can’t disagree with anything you have put there

 

Are you a Trump fan, perchance?

 

don’t fear @SuperTyke theres cavalry to help you distinguish the deserving from the undeserving poor…

 

It’s not complicated is it
Where does it say in your original post that I replied to about “imagined benefit scroungers”?