Without religion the world would be a better place?

Not really,

If our Islamic friends stuck to their principles then they would all be happy living in purgatory and we would be allowed to have all their natural resources for nothing as they would have no interest in them.</p>

Sounds a win win for the materialists in us.</p>

 

Does that realyy say bum the Quran... now that would incite trouble..

I think that it can be easy to blame religion for the ills of this world- and that is because the media only want to concentrate on the bigots and odd balls who use religion to spread their hatred and prejudice.

I was watching the Nick Bloomfield documentary last night about Terre Blanche the leader of the Nazi AWB movement in South Africa.. and there was a moment when he was in the church preaching and I thought about the most important commandment that Christ made which was love your neighbour... Now how come some one with such bitter hatred of people because of the colour of their skin call himself a Christian.

On a positive note much of the Social change in this Country in the 19th Century were brought about by Christians such as Shaftsbury, Wilberforce and Fry. There are groups from all religions which are actively working to make a difference in others lives because they have a belief that is their calling.

Organised religion is powerful and the problem is that evil people can use it for their own ends... anyway rant finished- now where did I put the Kool Aid I recovered from the Guyana jungle?

 

RE: Not really,

Would we have had the break throughs of the rennaisence without the scientific discoveries which were made by the Muslim in the early centuries?

 

Wouldn't they have been clever if they weren't muslim?

 

RE: Wouldn't they have been clever if they weren't muslim?

The argument could be that the exploration and study of nature were connected to their thirst to explore the world and universe they believed that Allah created. Also much of the work was supported by the religious and political rulers of the time.

There as lways been a link betwen the era's of religious enlightenment in both Europe and the middle east and the developments in learning, art and science of that time.

 

Do you really think that?

That the discoveries wouldn't have been made if the enterprising chaps in question hadn't been muslims?

Honest?

 

RE: Do you really think that?

It depends on the political and religious culture allowing ideas and experimentation to develop. There is no doubt that the islamic scholars of the early centuries developed a lot a mathmatical and scientific learning and theories. We are not talking about the Islam that we see today- but what was a new faith at the time and was trying to develop and explore the boundaries of its world.

Just look at the way the non conformist groups in England and Europe developed industry and technology in the 18th and 19th centuries.. This was because the political and social conditions of that time encouraged them to develop in this way. I mean when was the last time you met a Methodist who had done something interesting?

 

So that's a yes is it?

 

RE: Why would 3 people cast a "Dont Know vote"?

Because it's an option? Because they aren't sure one way or the other?

 

christ - this ones got dragged kickin n screaming from 2005!

wtf.
ff

 

that would by my doing

 

Reigion is not the problem, it is people using religion as an excuse for violence that is the problem. And then the subsequent problem of people not understanding religion but coming to the conclusion that a group of people who follow a doctrine of behaviour are evil. Islam comes to mind, and the dumbasses that swallow the crap that papers like the Sun and Star print. Its like the 80s when all football fans were hooligans!! The hooligans aren't fans they are just w*nkers who want to start trouble and use football grounds as a place to do it.

All the main religions of the world (Christianity, Islam, Budism, Judaism, Hinduism, Seikhs) teach people to be tollerant and respectful of other religions.

People really should understand religions before slagging them off.

 

RE: Does that realyy say bum the Quran... now that would incite trouble..

Well said fella - at least there appears to be few people out there with a brain.

 

Islam "teaches people to be tollerant and respectful of other religions."

Don't think so mate.

 

Yes

Without a doubt.

 

But you,ve got to define Religion

Cause religion is just "belief" in something you will always have belief,,, otherwise we wouldnt be going to oakwell would we ??

 

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It isn't the basic religous concept that is the problem. It is the belief by certain groups, whether they be Christian, Muslim or whatever, that their particular brand of religion is the only one that is acceptable. Even then, it wouldn't be so much of a problem if it weren't for the fact that certain factions within those groups feel that they have been designated by a superior power, to ensure that everyone else in the world should be indoctrinated into their brand of religion, whether they like it or not.

 

never actually posted my thoughts

which are yes it would be.