Yorkshire accent

Some words are saxon, a lot are danish in origin

especially laikin which is derived from larken which I believe is danish.

Its the same all over Yorkshire.

There is a very good book available on the yorkshire dialect going into some detail

 

Utter ****** Pikey Pete

The Saxon derivation of a lot of Yorkshire words (Not just Barnsley) is true, the rest is made up my Pikey friend. The reason Doncaster has the most retards, the highest percentage of Aids carriers and the highest pregnancy rate in Europe is because Pikeys don't go to school and hence have no idea about birth-control or STD's

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

You would know that people migrated to this area to work in the boom industry which was the mines.

In the early 1800's Wombwell had a population of just over 600, by the mid-1800's this had grown to 6000 and by the end of the century it was around 18000.
Very few of people who live here can trace their roots beyond the 1780's.

Migration to the mines came from Cheshire,Lincolnshire,Staffordshire,Derbyshire, the North East and even Cornwall.The first three Counties I mentioned were where my ancesters came from,the Lincolnshire lot came via Utah, USA.

It's not correct to say our language is Saxon. A lot of our dialect is in fact Norse. English is a Barsteward language and it steals words come from many languages.

The North of the Country use to be controlled by the Danes and words such as "laikin" is the viking word for play. "Ruarin" means crying. Lundhill and Lundwood are Viking names. What is left of our beautiful dialect is being eroded by the Germanic dialect brought to England by King George I which is used in the South East of the Country. Northern dialects are the oldest and richest to be found in this Country and we should preserve it and be proud of it.


(pint) (pint) (pint) (pint) (pint) (puke)

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

exactamundo,an old Barnsley saying I belive

 

I think Laik is the Norwegian verb

to play.

I stand to be corrected though.

 

RE: Utter ****** Pikey Pete

You are entitled to your opinions of course.......but save yourself further embarrassment and don't go down the statistics road....you'll not like what see where Barnsley are concerned.
I was born and bred in Barnsley...........currently teach linguistics in Sheffield and I also run classes in genealogy in Barnsley and Wakefield.....so credit me with some intelligence.
I bought my first Barnsley season when you were probably just a twinkle in your mother's eye, so I think I am entitled to use this board. However, if this is how you want to react when you do not like what you hear...then you really are a very very sad person indeed.

 

RE: Utter ****** Pikey Pete

GET BACK TA SNIFFIN YA PUPILS SEATS

 

(lol) (lol) (lol)

 

Think you'll find laikin silin etc are Norse

and Barnsley accent sound remarkably like Cumbrian accent with similar dialect words present

 

RE: Think you'll find laikin silin etc are Norse

I meant Norse. I'm not well.

 

heckmondwike

 

Not well?

In that case you need someone in Alityke's profession.
Or as they call them in Geordieland

A Norse.

 

RE: Not well?

Hehe.

What I need is to get shut of this cold asap.

 

I know some very well qualified

gimps and I can assure you without fear of contradiction that they often talk a load of unsubstatiated ********.

make of that what you will.

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

I enjoyed reading your post but.... The Germanic language reached these shores pre 10th Century by the invading Angles, Saxons and Jutes. The Norse (Viking), and French (Normans) dialects are also Germanic origin. In fact, the Normans are actually Vikings who settled in Northern France (hence NORseMAN).
The Anglo Saxon language has little to do with George I and any Hanoverian influences. Barnsley (Barns(leah) was woodland clearences, trees chopped down to form villages, which eventually overlapped to form larger villages....and so forth. The area was never visited, influenced or invaded by any other tribe or foreign race other than the Saxons, so it's fair to say that Barnsley is uniquely Anglo Saxon. I am not quite sure where you got the Norse influence from.......I am not doubting you at all, but allow me to get in touch with you in some way.......because in my sad life such a revelation is big news.

With regards to Industrial Revolution......yes that is when the rigid Barnsleyesque Saxon dialect began to dilute. My dad speaks with a strong Barnsley accent, his dad stronger still.....his great great grandfather...we would have difficulty understanding him. Because of better communication networks and the influx of media the Barnsley dialect is eroding at a much quicker pace, and it is estimated that by 2070 it would have all but disappeared. However.....research has shown that Barnsley folk have a tendency to elaborate their accent as a way of identifying themselves from other regions. In other words they are proud of the way they talk.
As for being able to trace their roots beyond 1780's ??. Parish registers for Barnsley area go back way beyond that and it's so easy to research family trees in Barnsley because there is very little mobility.
The idea of immigration en mass is misconveived. Prior to the sinking of coal mines, you would have seen 100s of small villages, farms, hamlets etc in what would fall under present day Barnsley Borough. When the mines were sunk the people of these villages would gravitate to central areas for the work. I think 1831 the population of Barnsley was circa 10,000, but that merely accounted for the parish of Barnsley and would not take into account surrounding villages like Wombwell, Darfield, Monk Bretton etc.

 

RE: I know some very well qualified

The word you are looking for is unsubstantiated........and yes...I totally agree with you.

 

Oh bugger me, I made an error, suicide beckons

Anyway its an interesting subject (to me at any rate!) Who populated the area after 1066. how nuch of the language / place names predate 1066?

Yorkshire.."tis but a waste" I believe is a quote from the doomsday book when the people of this area were systematically eradicated by William for their support of Harold Hardrada & Tostig's invasion prior to Stamford bridge.

of course I could be talking B*ll*cks.

 

RE: Oh bugger me, I made an error, suicide beckons

Yes, I think you are....you're certainly confusing me. The Viking threat by Hardrada was repelled by Harold, and at Fulford (Stamford Bridge). Harold basically sent them packing. Harold’s army then had to march back down south to confront William, and as we know Harold was defeated. Thereafter, what William did was to present land to members of his army as a reward. The area around Barnsley-Pontefract-Wakefield was given to the de-Laci family. These set up shop in Pontefract, but collected taxes from the people around the aforementioned area. In 1066 there wasn't a Barnsley as we know it.....just tiny farm settlements and little villages, hardly the type to raise any kind army.
I think your taking your argument to Yorkshire as a whole.....which is different again. York has a strong Viking influence, Doncaster and Pontefract a Norman one. Other than the ancient Bretons and the Celts, the Anglo Saxons are seen as England's indigenous people in the respect they were the first to settle and assimilate as opposed to invade and rule (Romans). There is very little evidence whether it is archaeological or written to suggest that the area marked now as Barnsley Borough, has been inhabited by any other tribes other than Anglo Saxons. The Anglo Saxons populated the area after 1066 and do so to the present day. For some reason you think I am having a dig at Barnsley…why should I want to do that?. Barnsley is the epitome of an Anglo Saxon town. Anglo Saxon villages were usually built on rivers, streams etc, and were just a single row of houses built on side of a thoroughfare, and also a pathway running behind the houses. Normans tended to centre on churches, castle, or a fort and build around that. Take a look at parish registers…the Normans like to use Latin variations on Christian names i.e. Guilami (William) etc. The Anglo Saxons did not.

 

RE: Loads of Polish in the area too.

There is a difference between accent & dialect. Accent is how you sound, dialect is words peculiar to your region. I'm not sure the Brummies have many & do cockneys still actually talk in rhyming slang?

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

"The area was never visited, influenced or invaded by any other tribe or foreign race other than the Saxons, so it's fair to say that Barnsley is uniquely Anglo Saxon"

So how do you explain place names such as Grimethorpe which comes from the Viking doesn't it?