Yorkshire accent

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

You have missed my point.I'm not talking about the origins of the Germanic influence on our language. I am talking about the dilution of our dialect by the dialect of George I which is if I am correct the origin of Queens english.
Parish records do exist but many are incomplete.

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

Queens English is a much much later concept.
Any kind of Standard English would have had virtually no influence on the Barnsley dialect. Barnsley folk would have been humble farmers and land workers, isolated from the rest of country.
The Roman's built a road through Doncaster and this road was subsequently used by various tribes and people around the country, some chose to stay, and some to travel through.
As a result Doncaster never really had a SINGLE 'hard Anglo Saxon dialect' it's a mish mash of other Anglo Saxon dialects, and Norman influenced dialects.
George I did not speak English at all and long before George I we had the likes of Shakespeare who was said to write the language of England. His was mostly Anglo Saxon writing and if you read it in it's raw form you'll be surprised how many of the words are still incorperated in the Barnsley dialect.

 

Thank God my surname is not common

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

The word 'Thorpe' is Old Scaninavian (OS) for Hamlet or small village, and Grime probably derives from the OS name of a person by the name of Grimr . But that does not mean to say Grimethorpe was a viking settlement. I don't think Grimethorpe is mentioned in the great 1086 survey which probably suggested it did not exist, so it's too late to be a viking station/settlement. I'd say, probably in the 12th or 13th Century, the area was maybe settled upon by a travelling family from the north who was seeking seeking out fertile land.
Barnsley people are as English as much as Anglo Saxon English can be. Up until the 1970s they were stuck in their ways whilst elsewhere were embracing a new world. It had always been like that since the 7th Century but the techno world is the trhing that is changing Barnsley.
It is fascinating stuff.

 

Can I just say a big thanks to all you guys on this thread. I have really enjoyed it.

 

Interesting

"Kirkeby" is Norwegian for Church Town.

"Barn" is norwegian for child.

"Leking" is norwegian for playing

So "Barn leking i Kirkeby" could be translated to Barnsley as "Bairn leiking in Kirkby".

No viking influence at all in Barnsley!

 

RE: Wrong

Big Brother

You are right. The coal mines is what transformed Barnsley from a village to a strong industrial town.
I was referring to much earlier times..pre industrial when Barnsley was just an area of small holdings, farms, hamlets and villages.

 

RE: Loads of Polish in the area too.

yes....dialect is a regional language, and accent is the inflection of tones, pace and sounds used to deliver the dialect.

 

Sorry but that's ********.

For a start, as has already been stated, there has been plenty of workforce immigration. You're obviously unaware of the  huge numbers of Scotts and Staffs miners who settled here. (Ask a Roystoner to say &quot;goldfish bowl&quot; to you.)</p>



Secondly how would the practice of intra-family marriages limit the number of surnames in use? Or, more to the point, how would cross-family marriages increase it? the only way the number of surnames would increase is if they were invented or accepted from outside of the community.</p>



Y'daft sod.</p>

 

This board is acting very strangely.

 

And furthermore

 

My point entirely

Lots of word in common parlence in the area are of danish / norse origin.

To contend that the dialect is pure anglo saxon is a nonsense.

 

RE: Interesting

I think it's great you are taking an interest and I like your thinking.....but Barnsley name derives from the Norman name of 'Berneslai' (1086), which in turn is a variation on the Anglo Saxon name of Beornleah
Variations on the suffix 'Leah'...ley, lea, lee, lai..indicates a woodland clearence.
Barnsley...'woodland clearence of a man called Beorn.

 

Bear Field

Maybe a forest clearing for a fair or bear baiting.
So I read previously.

 

Some emphasis has been placed on the mining industry

for Barnsley's change from a collection of villages etc. However mining was only brought about with the industrial revolution, and Barnsley was famous as a linen town up to the middle of the 19th century, when mining took over. Many of these linen workers came from Ireland, and probably added to what is now considered the Barnsley dialect. Furthermore Barnsley must have been a town of some standing to merit the granting of the 'Market Charter' in 1249.

 

RE: Bear Field

Look Spartacus.......for some reason I have rattled a few cages when my intention was without malice. What I have said on here is as accurate as research allows it to be. We are all individuals and we all have the ability to make up our own minds and believe what we want to believe.
Whatever has gone off in the past, whether positive or negative is what has made Barnsley great today and the proud people we are.
I am going to leave this board and let you chat about football related topics

Best Wishes all........and if any of you guys now have an urge to visit the archives, library or FHS....then my job is done.

 

RE:If you look at the Census 1841-1901

My father originates from Wakefield (Stanley to be exact) and my mum from Dewsbury (her father from York).
My parents relocated from Dewsbury to Grimethorpe in the 1950's for my dad to work at the pit.

 

RE: Loads of Polish in the area too.

Cockney's dying a death.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4171644.stm

And for "some parts of the East End" read "all over Greater London", innit.

 

Steady on..I was not having a dig

just saying what I had read in a few books on the subject(s).S)

Happy Christmas.(rockon)

 

RE: Some emphasis has been placed on the mining industry

It wasn't no........if you wanted to trade in live stock, goods etc, licences had to be granted so taxation could be collected. If more than one person wished to trade at a particular place, which was the case, then charters were awarded. There are villages nowadays with less than 500 people who can boast a Market Charter.
In 1249 Barnsley was nothing more than a village.