It’s so blatantly as bent as fück. During the covid era we’ve seen “socialists” cheering on the greatest upward wealth transfer in history, “antiracists” celebrating Jim Crow-style vax pass laws, and “liberals” denouncing freedom and civil rights. Fear and arrogance have produced truly insane levels of hypocrisy so I just expect folk to continue to applaud it all in. It is like living in a weird sci-fi where everyone you thought you shared beliefs with have gone mental through fear.
Yet again you get called a conspiracy theorists when people sit and nod their head to sky news but before this drama everyone use to say don't listen to the news.. mental
So true. I can't believe that due to an irrational fear that restrictions would be in place forever, people are so willing to align themselves with the far right and advocate for needlessly sacrificing the most vulnerable in society.
I still can't believe that the most vocal person on here suddenly went quiet when capacity crowds occurred up and down the country, despite being adamant it would never happen again . But yeah anyone who thought waiting for the vaccines to be prevalent to protect the most vulnerable were throwing parties about it and absolutely loving not being able to do stuff.... Deaths still going above 200 a day on occasion yet nobody on here screaming for restrictions... it's almost as if people are reasonable and accept we've done all we can now and don't want restrictions or something. How weird? But that doesn't fit the narrative does it?
The conspiracy theory stuff was definitely more related to the whole lockdown's don't work nonsense that was spouted by certain individuals suggesting we just let the virus run its course like they did in certain US states (that no longer get cited for some reason). Ok so you might be right about some temporary vaccine requirements, but that's hardly evidence that every wild statement you made was true. In fact that's exactly how conspiracy theorists thrive. You chuck enough s**t in the air some is bound to stick to something... then you point to that as evidence that you were right about everything.. sucking others into your nonsense.
Which socialists have been cheering on the wealth transfer? As to the anti racist one, I have no words. The only one I concede would be the "liberals" one.
Liberals cheering on methods of reducing the death count of a virus killing at times more than a thousand people a day doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Especially when you see the insane bleatings of the anti lockdown and anti vaccine crowd. The only thing liberals are concerned with is that any such control methods are temporary.
I think you’ll find I was acting in line with having a break from posting on this stuff, as you’re well aware. Anyway, for what it’s worth, absolutely delighted to be wrong about crowds being allowed - albeit temporarily - and furthermore delighted to be proved right that large outdoor events haven’t made any significant difference to transmission. Long may it continue. Let’s hope I’m wrong again and this current temporary reduction of restrictions becomes a permanent one, which will only be the case when the Coronavirus Act is brought to a full end.
You’re that keen to not be seen to align with specific individuals that you’d support a policy that actively discriminates against ethnic minorities - who have significantly lower numbers of vaccinated people than everyone else - just to avoid it?
You don’t think this post was a pretty good prediction, no? http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/compulsory-vaccinations.297351/#post-2583191
Yes this time last year people who mentioned stuff like this we conspiracy theorists..... now they want to vaccinate healthy young teenagers against a virus they are at hardly any risk from mental. Why don't we push the flu jab on them too this winter instead of just the over 65s?
Yes a conveniently timed break when things were totally going against what you were saying. Yet you're back again, peddling the same ******** again that people were "cheering" stuff on. Deaths in triple figures still continue to happen however not one person is calling for any restrictions on here. How does that fit with the ******** you keep repeating then? Sick to death of hearing it as it is a total lie. You and Jay are decent posters when you're not going OTT about this, pretending that you're the only ones affected, to the point of likening it to the Holocaust and calling people Nazis. The two of you have behaved like complete bellends the entire time.
I haven’t pretended I’m the only one affected. It’s actually quite the opposite, I’m one of the least affected - I’m not young, I already have a family and I’ve earned 100% of my salary through it all. I’ve gone to great lengths to explain why my viewpoint is about what I think is societal benefit. So I’m not sure why you’re making stuff up. I’ve made no reference or parallel to the Holocaust. So again, I’m not sure why you’re making stuff up. You’ve got a point on people not asking for restrictions, I’ll give you that. I’m glad that people have started to see sense. As for the insult, charming. I think what you mean is I’ve consistently given a different point of view to you and you’re getting all angry about me giving it - FWIW I do empathise with this, I was starting to do the same which is why I took a break from posting on the subject - I’d been rude to someone on here a bit like you just have been, although not quite as blatant. It did me good, that’s the best advice I can give you.
No not really, I stand by what I said. Don't have a problem with anyone having a different view - posters on here such as Loko were able to put their views across without the hyperbole. Nobody at any point has been cheering anything on at all. They might have felt it was necessary but they didn't celebrate it. So to keep peddling that constantly for 18 months, calling people Nazis and likening it to Nazi Germany is behaving like a bellend in my book. Oh and someone definitely likened a proof of vaccine to the Star of David, so my comment about the Holocaust is accurate.
Surely the aim there would be to look at why they're reluctant to be vaccinated and take it from there rather than say let's not have any COVID restrictions because it discriminates against them.
‘Someone’ likened it to the Star of David therefore I’m a bellend? I think your grammar is appalling and you use too many full stops because I’ve been reading Young Nudger’s posts.
I notice you skip the bit about repeating the cheering for restrictions. That is enough. I mentioned you and Jay in that paragraph and Jay definitely kept repeating stuff about Nazis. You have also likened it to Nazi Germany I believe. Sorry I am not rain man, I don't have a photographic memory of who has said what exactly.
Or we could try and educate and promote the positive benefits then leave to personal choice rather than coerce and blackmail? We could respect the complex cultural differences that lead to these decisions rather than exclude them from stuff because we don’t like or agree with the conclusion they’ve come to?
Only problem with posts like this is that they’re over the top extreme in the opposite direction, when they’re objective is to try and highlight extremism. I don’t recall many people at all saying we should just let the virus run its course. But that’s what ‘pro-lockdown’ people try to insinuate when referencing posters on here. You also then got confusion where anti-lockdown views and anti-vaccine views are thrown in to the same pot to heighten the opinion and shade being cast. I mean God forbid anyone have different views and be able to judge certain topics and issues in the world on individual merit as they see it - but we can’t have that because you can’t then label people as one or the other/good or bad. The reason nobody cites US states anymore is because the discussions recently have been more on the coercion of young people in to getting the vaccine and not about lockdowns. Strange stick to try and beat people with? Most places saw a spike when seeing the Delta variant arrive in their territory, but thankfully a downward trend follows regardless of your lockdown status. Texas has three weeks of figures going backwards and vaccine numbers going up, just for balance. Sweden has seen slight increases with the return of schools/work right now, again just for balance because it wasn’t all about US states, but within what they’re comfortable with to keep society moving and feeling safe. Australia? What’s going on there is frightening. Claiming people don’t mention anything negative that disproves or goes against their stance on this isn’t exclusive to the ‘conspiracy theorists’. There are people who will read all the stories around mental health, divorce rates/enquiries, homelessness, the impact this has had on children, and just not mention it. It does work both ways, because believe it or not many people who were anti-lockdown were still pro-life. Just with a different take to yours.